# Random Cubing Discussion

#### pyrapyravince

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So basically.
• Cross
• LBL F2L
• 2 Look OLL
• 2 Look PLL
Standard beginner's method
and the cubesolve.com method. Do cross, f2l, solve the edges, solve a corner, and do corner commutators. So weird.

#### povlhp

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To me beginner methods are the ones that are easy, few algorithms.
The books from around 1980 is surely not a beginners method.
I see the J.Perm method with only 3 simple algorithms (sexy, sune, and the 3 corner swap) as a real beginners method. No letters needed.
If a beginner is taught F2L, it is not really a beginners method.
I know intuitive F2L can be taught without algorithms.

Using Sune to turn corners and permute edges later is considered beginners method as well, as it is still simple layer-by-layer. I think I read about that method somewhere.

#### Sub1Hour

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This must be wiped of the face of the earth or so help me I will end this monstrosity

#### zzoomer

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i had the strangest dream last night where Tingman did a RUS Ua perm in an official solve but accidentally dropped the cube on the judge's head. And the judge was Tingboy.

#### SH03L4C3

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Guys. Daily puzzles now sponsored the largest youcuber with over 2 million subscribers, Mike Boyd XD

#### Scollier

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Guys. Daily puzzles now sponsored the largest youcuber with over 2 million subscribers, Mike Boyd XD
Woahhhh I saw that video previously but didn't know that they had sponsored him. Congrats to Daily Puzzles!!

Also, RedKB, Cuborithms, and Tingman all commented on the video!!

#### Sub1Hour

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Remember teir lists? Here's mine, you guys should make some too

#### Cubing Forever

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View attachment 15873
Remember teir lists? Here's mine, you guys should make some too

Well, here's mine and yes, cloncc is S tier worthy

E: oh wait, I made another one.

cross with edges oriented is ZZ EOCross, Line with edges oriented is ofc vanilla ZZ, 223 with edges oriented is LEOR, 222 is Petrus

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#### rubik2005

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Why is Shengshou so low?

#### Nmile7300

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Why is Shengshou so low?
D tier is mostly companies that are largely inactive. Also name a shengshou cube thats widely considered the best on the market or even a top contender.

#### Cubingcubecuber

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D tier is mostly companies that are largely inactive. Also name a shengshou cube thats widely considered the best on the market or even a top contender.
Mr m pyra is apparently good

#### rubik2005

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D tier is mostly companies that are largely inactive. Also name a shengshou cube thats widely considered the best on the market or even a top contender.
19x19, 17x17,14x14
They're not that bad of a brand. Mr. M series
Its definitely not the best brand, but I see now reason why you put it at the same level as Rubik

#### rubik2005

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Shengshou doesn’t really have any main-contenders for WCA puzzles, but most of their non-WCA puzzles are really good.
Right. @Nmile7300 are you basing the tier on WCA puzzles?

#### Nmile7300

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Right. @Nmile7300 are you basing the tier on WCA puzzles?
I didn't base this off on non-WCA because many of the companies on the tier list (I didn't make this) don't even make non WCA cubes. I could make a separate list for non-WCA, but I'd have to remove Valk, Gan, Guoguan, etc. and replace them with companies that only make non-WCA.

EDIT: Non WCA tier list

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#### zzoomer

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I agree with all of it except Dayan should be in S tier because a) Dayan cubes are AWESOME b) Dayan means "goose" in Chinese which alongside the holy duck is objectively the best animal.