# Random Cubing Discussion

#### pyrapyravince

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isnt it weird that cubicle can sell mystery puzzles for 5 dollars. theres a possibility that you can get a gan duo for 5 dollars.
How do they afford to do that?
Also, some people could buy a bunch of 3 dollar cubes, and then sell them for the real price at a comp.

#### rubik2005

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isnt it weird that cubicle can sell mystery puzzles for 5 dollars. theres a possibility that you can get a gan duo for 5 dollars.
How do they afford to do that?
Also, some people could buy a bunch of 3 dollar cubes, and then sell them for the real price at a comp.
That's not really how it works. The only time they've done something similar is putting a Gan 11 M Pro (UV I think) into the $35 mystery puzzles bin. The cubes will be within their range of price, so if you pay$3 or $5, you'll likely get a budget cube or something no more than like$10. So it's not like there's a chance of you getting a 17x17 if you buy a $35 mystery puzzle With the selling at comps thing, yea maybe. But they'll likely only make like$5 of profit depending on the cube, or simply have no use for it and would sell for an even lower price just to get rid of it. But otherwise, it would be better to just buy a new cube anyway unless you want to try it beforehand.

#### PapaSmurf

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Notation is quite simple. The easiest way to get used to it is just to scramble lots of cubes and check them every time. Using something like CSTimer with the draw scramble function is probably the best way, plus it gives loads of customising options that make it the most popular timer by a long way.

#### pyrapyravince

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has anyone figured out the notation yet?
' means reverse, and 2 means two times.

R means right.

R: Rotate the right side up, or clockwise
R': Rotate the right side down, or counterclockwise
R2: Rotate the right side 2 times or clockwise.
L means left.
L: Rotate the left side down, or clockwise
L': Rotate the left side up, or counterclockwise.
L2: Rotate the left side 2 times.
F means front.
F: Rotate the front side down, or clockwise
F': Rotate the front side up, or counterclockwise
F2: Rotate the front side 2 times
B means back.
B: Rotate the back side up, or clockwise
B': Rotate the back side down, or counterclockwise
B2: Rotate the back side 2 times
U means up.
U: Rotate the top side to the left, or clockwise
U': Rotate the top side to left, or clockwise
U2: Rotate the top side 2 times.
D means down.
D: Rotate the bottom side to the right, or clockwise
D': Rotate the bottom side to the left, or counterclockwise.
D2: Rotate the bottom side to the left

Remember, slice moves rotate the same to the letter closest to them in the alphabet.
M means middle.
M: Slide the layer between L and R down, like L
M': Slide the layer between L and R up, like L'
M2: Slide the layer between L and R 2 times
E means equator.
E: Slide the layer between D and U to the right, like D
E': Slide the layer between D and U to the left, like D'
E2: Slide the layer between D and U 2 times.
S means standing.
S: Slide the layer between F and B down, like F
S': Slide the layer between F and B up, like F'
S2: Slide the layer between F and B 2 times

w (meaning wide) / lowercase means moving the face and the adjacent slice. It can be mixed and matched with other notations. So moving F and S down, is f/ Fw.

Cube rotations rotate the entire cube.
x: Rotate the entire cube the on R.
x': Rotate the entire cube on R'.
x2: Rotate the entire cube 2 times on R.
y: Rotate the entire cube on U.
y': Rotate the entire cube on U'.
y2: Rotate the entire cube 2 times on U.
z: Rotate the entire cube on F.
z': Rotate the entire cube on F'.
z2: Rotate the entire cube two times on F.

#### abunickabhi

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Has anyone heard of the tate notation for memorising triggers in cubing?

There is also swiss notation.

#### PapaSmurf

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Most alternative notations don't really do anything more than what Singmaster notation can do. With experience, you can easily identify triggers and know how to fingertrick them. Also, they don't really help when you have something like R' F R' U (sexy), as you don't execute the sexy in there the same way as from neutral, so breaking down into common triggers ignores a lot of potential nuance.

#### vidcapper

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Do you use cstimer with the timer running, or hidden? I prefer the latter, otherwise I find it a distraction.

#### BenChristman1

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Do you use cstimer with the timer running, or hidden? I prefer the latter, otherwise I find it a distraction.
I have it updating every second, just so that when I record my solves, it’s easier to predict what the time will be just by watching the video.

#### vidcapper

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I wonder if there's a UWR for solving a 3x3 using just the beginners method?

#### BenChristman1

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I wonder if there's a UWR for solving a 3x3 using just the beginners method?
Here’s the first thing that I think of, but I’m sure there’s a faster time than these somewhere.

#### AlgoCuber

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Most of the cubes on Amazon are ripoffs. They just rebrand and repackage a cheap cube and sell them for a way higher price. Or, they market it as "D-Fantix Gan 11 M Pro" or "GAN 11 M Pro 3x3 Speed Cube by Cuberspeed", making it seem like they made it. Some of the names are also super cringy like "The Amazing IQ Tester." I also spent 5 minutes reading cubes reviews on amazon, and the bad reviews aren't hard to find at all. Most of the bad reviews say things like "a 62mm 4x4 is way too small, almost as small as my 3x3" even though it is standard size, "cube exploded into pieces after a few months" which is just a pop and is pretty normal. Tighten the cube to make it pop less. If the cube even pops once, that's a automatic 1 star review, though.

I'm not going to blame the reviewers though, they're probably beginners who just learned how to cube and don't know any cube stores. I do wish amazon reviewers would do more research on cubes, and the redistributor brands would stop making it seem like their cubes.

Just a small rant lol

#### povlhp

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Here’s the first thing that I think of, but I’m sure there’s a faster time than these somewhere.

He is cheating.
to me, beginners method does not use M slice moves. They are impossible on a rubiks brand.
And beginners method is sexy move to turn corners. At least to me.

#### BenChristman1

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He is cheating.
to me, beginners method does not use M slice moves. They are impossible on a rubiks brand.
And beginners method is sexy move to turn corners. At least to me.
Just because somebody uses the beginner’s method doesn’t mean that they use a Rubik’s brand. In fact, most people who use the beginner’s method probably don’t use a Rubik’s brand, because most people who can solve a cube either do it often enough to invest in a speedcube, or they don’t solve cubes enough to bother buying a speedcube.

#### povlhp

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Just because somebody uses the beginner’s method doesn’t mean that they use a Rubik’s brand. In fact, most people who use the beginner’s method probably don’t use a Rubik’s brand, because most people who can solve a cube either do it often enough to invest in a speedcube, or they don’t solve cubes enough to bother buying a speedcube.
What is beginners method to you ?
Is it anything that does layer by layer ?
So CMOP ? Cross - middle - OLL - PLL

#### xyzzy

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What is beginners method to you ?
Is it anything that does layer by layer ?
So CMOP ? Cross - middle - OLL - PLL
If it's a method that a beginner uses, it's a "beginner's method". Not sure why you're so insistent that beginner's method must be a very specific thing when there are many, many tutorials that teach many, many variations of the basic layer by layer method.

(And for the record, even when I was using a terrible completely non-fingertrickable cube, I still did use slice moves sometimes. (Executed as two normal moves, of course.) Sometimes slice moves are just the most intuitive way to solve something, like inserting a missing edge piece into the first layer.)

#### xyzzy

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I just noticed that the WCA website now includes scrambles on the competition info page, so you no longer need to dive into the database or use a third-party website (like wcadb.net) to get the scrambles.

#### abunickabhi

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Yes getting access to scrambles is quicker now. I think this feature was included over a month ago.

#### pyrapyravince

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If it's a method that a beginner uses, it's a "beginner's method". Not sure why you're so insistent that beginner's method must be a very specific thing when there are many, many tutorials that teach many, many variations of the basic layer by layer method.

(And for the record, even when I was using a terrible completely non-fingertrickable cube, I still did use slice moves sometimes. (Executed as two normal moves, of course.) Sometimes slice moves are just the most intuitive way to solve something, like inserting a missing edge piece into the first layer.)
Yup. Theres the baby method by gan, and the intermediate beginner method.

Baby method:
• Solve the cross
• Put in the corners
• Put in the edges
• F2L COMPLETED
• Make a cross on the top with F R U R' U F'.
• Reduce all cases to sunes and anti sunes with anti sune
• OLL COMPLETED
• Permute the corners with J perms.
• Solve the edge plls with reverse u perms.
Intermediate beginner method
• Solve the cross
• Put in corners
• Put in edges
• F2L COMPLETED
• Make a cross on the top with F R U R' U F', and f R U R' U' f'.
• Solve the corner olls with the respective algorithms
• OLL COMPLETED
• Permute the corners with Y perm and J perm.
• Solve the edge plls with the respective algorithms.
Some beginner methods use keyhole F2L, which is faster, some beginner methods learn most of the F2Ls. Beginner methods are really mix and match.

#### AlgoCuber

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• Solve the cross
• Put in corners
• Put in edges
• F2L COMPLETED
• Make a cross on the top with F R U R' U F', and f R U R' U' f'.
• Solve the corner olls with the respective algorithms
• OLL COMPLETED
• Permute the corners with Y perm and J perm.
• Solve the edge plls with the respective algorithms.
So basically.
• Cross
• LBL F2L
• 2 Look OLL
• 2 Look PLL
Standard beginner's method

#### rubik2005

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Does anyone know what the thing on the back of TheCubicle's business card is supposed to be?

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