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Nmile7300

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I agree with all of it except Dayan should be in S tier because a) Dayan cubes are AWESOME b) Dayan means "goose" in Chinese which alongside the holy duck is objectively the best animal.
Yeah for sure. I just feel like they need a more complete lineup of cubes first. Also geese are amazing
 

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I wasn't sure where else to post this, but I had a proposal/question about cubing terminology.

As many of us know, "Lookahead" refers to the process of determining what the next step of your solve will be while still executing the current step. This is done to reduce pauses.

However, "Lookahead" is almost exclusively used to refer to the intuitive part of solves. I think there should be a similar term, "Lookinto", which refers to this same concept when applied to the algorithmic part of solves. I don't believe this has a term yet, other than "Prediction" which is often used informally when this topic is discussed.

Some examples of Lookinto include:
  • [CFOP/ZZ] Predicting AUF after PLL
  • [CFOP/ZZ] Predicting PLL (or just CP case) after OLL
  • [CFOP] Using non-standard algs for 2-look OLL in order to predict the second look (link to Jperm's video on the topic)
  • [Roux] Predicting EO before executing CMLL and/or using a different CMLL alg for a better EO case
  • [Roux] EOLR (this borders on lookahead since this is an intuitive step, so its inclusion is debatable)
While these are the more-or-less standard applications of Lookinto, there is more potential for the concept. For example, we can choose to use COLL algs which preserve a 1x2x2 block in LL in order to Lookinto EPLL. This can lead to 1LLL for many cases when edges are oriented (does not apply to H/Pi cases).

I'm interested to hear your thoughts! Does this already have a name, or do you think we shouldn't introduce this new term? What other applications of Lookinto can you think of?
 

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I wasn't sure where else to post this, but I had a proposal/question about cubing terminology.

As many of us know, "Lookahead" refers to the process of determining what the next step of your solve will be while still executing the current step. This is done to reduce pauses.

However, "Lookahead" is almost exclusively used to refer to the intuitive part of solves. I think there should be a similar term, "Lookinto", which refers to this same concept when applied to the algorithmic part of solves. I don't believe this has a term yet, other than "Prediction" which is often used informally when this topic is discussed.

Some examples of Lookinto include:
  • [CFOP/ZZ] Predicting AUF after PLL
  • [CFOP/ZZ] Predicting PLL (or just CP case) after OLL
  • [CFOP] Using non-standard algs for 2-look OLL in order to predict the second look (link to Jperm's video on the topic)
  • [Roux] Predicting EO before executing CMLL and/or using a different CMLL alg for a better EO case
  • [Roux] EOLR (this borders on lookahead since this is an intuitive step, so its inclusion is debatable)
While these are the more-or-less standard applications of Lookinto, there is more potential for the concept. For example, we can choose to use COLL algs which preserve a 1x2x2 block in LL in order to Lookinto EPLL. This can lead to 1LLL for many cases when edges are oriented (does not apply to H/Pi cases).

I'm interested to hear your thoughts! Does this already have a name, or do you think we shouldn't introduce this new term? What other applications of Lookinto can you think of?
I think prediction is already a pretty good term to describe this. Even if you don’t completely know what the next alg will be, you can still predict a few pieces.

Do you have other reasons to not use prediction? I don’t see how people using it informally means we need a different special term for it.
 

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Also I have something to actually discuss: does anyone actually use EOLL or something like it? I know COLL is popular because of like recognition and fast algorithms but like most people can do A perms sub 0.8. Yes there is a chance of am E perm but tbh it’s kind of like the Z perm of EOLL.

Also how many algorithms would there be and would it be a waste of time?

Just saying: I’m not actually considering learning it, I was just kind of wondering.
 

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Also I have something to actually discuss: does anyone actually use EOLL or something like it? I know COLL is popular because of like recognition and fast algorithms but like most people can do A perms sub 0.8. Yes there is a chance of am E perm but tbh it’s kind of like the Z perm of EOLL.

Also how many algorithms would there be and would it be a waste of time?

Just saying: I’m not actually considering learning it, I was just kind of wondering.
EP recognition is much harder than CP recognition, and A/E perms are slower than U/H/Z in both recognition and speed. I highly doubt anyone uses EOLL and if they do they should stop using it.
 
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