One-Answer 3x3x3 Question Thread

[Eme]

Is that even possible? If I remember correctly you can only rotate one center 180 or 2 centers 90.

Correct. Rotating just one center 90º is not possible so, @Eme, if you happen to have a supercube with just one center off by 90º just must have assembled it wrong.

Thank you a lot, guys. I was solving my YJ heart cube, which has very similar pieces, and I got a single centre twisted at the end.

 

[tbfkrex]

Whenever I'm on customer trying to do the scramble i can never do it right am i doing it wrong F would be a clockwise face and R would be the right layer turned upwards D would be turning the bottom layer to the right and i do it like that but i never do the scrambles right I learned the notation of of Crazybadcubers tutorial on it.

Start with green in front and white on top

 

[Cristobal]

Is there any scrambling software allowing to get directly to the last layer phase in order to learn OLL?

 

[Isaac Lai]

Is there any scrambling software allowing to get directly to the last layer phase in order to learn OLL?

I'm pretty sure cs/qqtimer has a last layer subset hidden somewhere.

 

[Cristobal]

Ok, thanks, I'm gonna look into it!

 

[Shiv3r]

I came up with a better beginner method with about as many algorithms but a better way of building the F2L

 

[Drad]

I came up with a better beginner method with about as many algorithms but a better way of building the F2L

Can you make a video about it our a give us an explanation

 

[Shiv3r]

Can you make a video about it our a give us an explanation

Okay, so here it is: TFOP(T-style F2L OLL PLL). This method is based on how I used to build the F2L when I was juuust starting CFOP. the only difference here is that the steps i used I do for all slots for each step, not slot-by-slot.
here are the steps:
1.solve the Cross
2.E-slice Edges, so solve the edges of each slot
3.insert D layer corners with 3 algorithms(1 algorithm is triple sexy/sledgehammer, and 2 are mirrors of each other)
4. Last layer of some sort.

Jtwong71 tried it , and first try got sub-20.
after some practice, he was able to reliably get sub-15 with this approach. So it has the possibility to be faster than a normal LBL after some practice, so people don have to learn a new method until they are reliably sub-20. At that point, its just some practice with F2L and you know full CFOP(since it was originally the way I learned F2L, remember!)

any thoughts on this? remember that this is intended to be a beginners method(yet it actually can be somewhat fast)

 

[jaredye]

Okay, so here it is: TFOP(T-style F2L OLL PLL). This method is based on how I used to build the F2L when I was juuust starting CFOP. the only difference here is that the steps i used I do for all slots for each step, not slot-by-slot.
here are the steps:
1.solve the Cross
2.E-slice Edges, so solve the edges of each slot
3.insert D layer corners with 3 algorithms(1 algorithm is triple sexy/sledgehammer, and 2 are mirrors of each other)
4. Last layer of some sort.

Jtwong71 tried it , and first try got sub-20.
after some practice, he was able to reliably get sub-15 with this approach. So it has the possibility to be faster than a normal LBL after some practice, so people don have to learn a new method until they are reliably sub-20. At that point, its just some practice with F2L and you know full CFOP(since it was originally the way I learned F2L, remember!)

any thoughts on this? remember that this is intended to be a beginners method(yet it actually can be somewhat fast)

Just a trivial question. What do you tell the beginner to do when the D corner is in the correct spot but misoriented?

I don't see why this should be faster than the LBL method. And I don't see how this can be more easily explained to a beginner. The main difference is LBL solve D corner first and the edges, whereas you solve the edges first. Can you explain what the advantages of solving edges first are?

 

[Shiv3r]

Just a trivial question. What do you tell the beginner to do when the D corner is in the correct spot but misoriented?

I don't see why this should be faster than the LBL method. And I don't see how this can be more easily explained to a beginner. The main difference is LBL solve D corner first and the edges, whereas you solve the edges first. Can you explain what the advantages of solving edges first are?

I would tell the beginner to go and take it out with a move like triple sexy(easy to teach) or another algorithm that You usually use for inserting an oriented D corner, then use another algorithm to Re-insert it.

 

[Shiv3r]

heres an average of 5 for both methods.
note: Both times, a 4LLL was used for consistency.

ao5 with LBL:21.077

Time List:
1. 20.888 R2 D' F B' R U2 L2 D F' B2 D2 R F2 U2 D2 L D2 R U2
2. (24.800) L' D2 F2 R U2 F U' R' F R' B2 R U2 R2 U2 B2 R2 D2 F2 R
3. 23.623 U2 L' B2 R2 F2 U2 L F2 L B2 R F' R' D L D' L2 B2 F' D L'
4. 18.720 B D2 R D' B2 U B' L2 F' U2 F2 L2 U2 R U2 L F2 R' D2 L
5. (16.657) B' R2 B2 R' F R2 F R2 F' L2 U L2 U' B2 D2 B2 D

Average of 5 with TFOP: 16.382
Time List:
1. (18.121) U' F' U' B' L U2 D L' U2 R2 U2 F U2 F2 D2 R2 F B'
2. 15.952 L' F2 U F2 L2 U2 F2 L2 D2 U F2 L F' U R2 D' U R B' D'
3. 16.761 F L F D B' L' U2 R' D2 B U F2 D' L2 U2 B2 U F2 B2 L2
4. (15.920) R2 D2 F' L2 U2 B U2 L2 F2 L2 B' D' R2 F' D L D F R B' D'
5. 16.432 R L2 D2 F2 R2 B L2 B' R2 D2 R D' U F2 U2 L2 F' R'

 

[Drad]

heres an average of 5 for both methods.
note: Both times, a 4LLL was used for consistency.

ao5 with LBL:21.077

Time List:
1. 20.888 R2 D' F B' R U2 L2 D F' B2 D2 R F2 U2 D2 L D2 R U2
2. (24.800) L' D2 F2 R U2 F U' R' F R' B2 R U2 R2 U2 B2 R2 D2 F2 R
3. 23.623 U2 L' B2 R2 F2 U2 L F2 L B2 R F' R' D L D' L2 B2 F' D L'
4. 18.720 B D2 R D' B2 U B' L2 F' U2 F2 L2 U2 R U2 L F2 R' D2 L
5. (16.657) B' R2 B2 R' F R2 F R2 F' L2 U L2 U' B2 D2 B2 D

Average of 5 with TFOP: 16.382
Time List:
1. (18.121) U' F' U' B' L U2 D L' U2 R2 U2 F U2 F2 D2 R2 F B'
2. 15.952 L' F2 U F2 L2 U2 F2 L2 D2 U F2 L F' U R2 D' U R B' D'
3. 16.761 F L F D B' L' U2 R' D2 B U F2 D' L2 U2 B2 U F2 B2 L2
4. (15.920) R2 D2 F' L2 U2 B U2 L2 F2 L2 B' D' R2 F' D L D F R B' D'
5. 16.432 R L2 D2 F2 R2 B L2 B' R2 D2 R D' U F2 U2 L2 F' R'

what is the alg it doesn't work when i do R U R' U' R' F R F'

 

[Shiv3r]

what is the alg it doesn't work when i do R U R' U' R' F R F'

do either a triple sexy move or a triple sledge hammer.
also, you could do some ornientation preserving alg like R2 U R2 U R2 U2 R2 or something. but i like the triple triggers better.

 

[Drad]

do either a triple sexy move or a triple sledge hammer.
also, you could do some ornientation preserving alg like R2 U R2 U R2 U2 R2 or something. but i like the triple triggers better.

do the triple sexy move with cross on top of the edge ?

 

[Shiv3r]

after cross, cross is held on bottom the whole time.

 

[Drad]

after cross, cross is held on bottom the whole time.

sorry type i meant with corner on top

 

[Shiv3r]

ya.

 

[Drad]

ya.

I any special way or just corner how it is there.

 

[obelisk477]

do either a triple sexy move or a triple sledge hammer.
also, you could do some ornientation preserving alg like R2 U R2 U R2 U2 R2 or something. but i like the triple triggers better.

Triple sledge does preserve orientation

 

[Drad]

Triple sledge does preserve orientation

ok ty it doesn't work for me though