[Help Thread] OLL and PLL Discussion

[SRV]

I learnt full OLL exactly at your speed. Took me 2 weeks. After the 2 weeks of learning OLL I was sub 20. Just go for it!

I would say it totally worth it if I didn't switch to Roux shortly afterwards, resulting in forgetting most of the algs

 

[rishirs321]

Should I learn full PLL? I average around 45 seconds.
Also, all the cases seem random to me, how should I start learning these algorithms?

 

[Aiminer357]

I average 30-ish with full PLL on a cyclone boys (not sure which one, might be strengthened one). Is this considered bad? Should I learn OLL or practice more?

 

[ThatCubeDude11]

i am having loads of trouble with the e-perm algorithim for PLL. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

This video should be able to help. It helped me a ton because even though I was using the right alg for it, I wasn't finger tricking it well. Also, for big cubes, this alg is not good at all. Try to learn a different E perm alg for big cubes but this one works great for 3x3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqgw0MsnbWM&list=PLRZHt_6umybxXK7SMTT4UvC9me0lpwStF

 

[EverythingCube]

Should I learn full PLL? I average around 45 seconds.
Also, all the cases seem random to me, how should I start learning these algorithms?

You should start learning 2-look OLL and PLL, learn 1 alg a day. The way I choose which one to learn is to do solves un-till I see something that I don't know.

 

[ThatCubeDude11]

Should I learn full PLL? I average around 45 seconds.
Also, all the cases seem random to me, how should I start learning these algorithms?

I would start learning full PLL. I can't remember when I had fully learned it but t took me a long time because I was so lazy about learning the algs. By the time I was done I think I was averaging just above 20 seconds, but I also took over about a year to learn all 21. For recognizing cases, to begin with you should match up the LL with the sides. (So if you have blue headlights, put those on the blue side.) This will help with recognizing the cases a lot better. I still do this for a few cases and I average 16 seconds. Also for learning what each case looks like, try to find patterns for each case, like how a T perm will have a 1x1x2 block in the back left and a 1x1x2 block in the front left, and headlights on the left side. Do this for a few cases and as you start learning more PLLs, it will become a lot easier. I would save G perms for last, but don't be afraid of them. Hope this helps. Also, if you go to "cyotheking" on youtube and go to his playlists and find his videos on finger tricking PLLs like a pro. These videos have helped me a ton.

 

[ThatCubeDude11]

I average 30-ish with full PLL on a cyclone boys (not sure which one, might be strengthened one). Is this considered bad? Should I learn OLL or practice more?

I would say to just keep practicing and start learning your OLL as you keep getting faster. Don't worry about learning Full OLL at all because it will never be too late to learn the algs.

 

[dskids]

What's the best way to drill PLL's?

I'm learning 3LLL and have all the PLL's down except R and N perms. As I keep piling on more PLL's, I'm learning them quickly but my speed is really bad still. I've gotten much faster with Y/T/U/H/Z from doing them so often with 4-look, but looking for a way to drill my new PLL's effectively.

Do you recommend drilling a single one a huge number of times and then changing to another? Cycling a few of them and doing slightly less reps each? Or is it more efficient to set up an ipad timer to do PLL scrambles, and doing them at random?

 

[DTCuber]

I learned all of my PLLs at once and then just kept drilling them with PLL time attacks.

 

[shadowslice e]

I'm learning 3LLL and have all the PLL's down except R and N perms. As I keep piling on more PLL's, I'm learning them quickly but my speed is really bad still. I've gotten much faster with Y/T/U/H/Z from doing them so often with 4-look, but looking for a way to drill my new PLL's effectively.

Do you recommend drilling a single one a huge number of times and then changing to another? Cycling a few of them and doing slightly less reps each? Or is it more efficient to set up an ipad timer to do PLL scrambles, and doing them at random?

Just spam one as fast as you can while doing somthing else like watching tv and you should have it at a good speed on no time. Then move onto the next one. Rinse and repeat. It wouldn't hurt to try to do some recog as fast as you can. as well

Also try to watch really good cubers execute them and try their fingerticks to see of they work well for you.

Try to also learn some less intuitive fingerticks intuitive such as thumbs for F/F', M/M' techniques maybe some OH as well.

 

[TheGamerPlayz]

Pll algorithm help

Hey guys i have been using Fridrich's for about a few weeks now and i keep coming a pll situation. I cannot find a solution to it on any guides anyone recognize it?

Thxs

 

[h2f]

Aperm. Do U and you will see it.

Ab: l' R' D2 R U R' D2 R U' R x'

 

[YasirM]

That's an A perm. The alg is- r U' L D2 L' U L D2 L2
But before that remember to do a U turn and then the alg:-D

 

[EntireTV]

If algs don't look like they're working to you, check them in alg.cubing.net. That has an animation which shows you what each move does.

Wow I was such a noob back then 0_0

 

[SCLT]

My OLL and PLL execution are both pretty awful - probably mostly due to the fact that I learned them all in a fairly short space of time and didn't devote much time to getting each alg down in muscle memory (there are a fair few that I still need visual cues from in the middle of execution).

I'm looking to devote some time over the next month or so to getting each alg to a point where I can perform it quickly, at the rate of a few algs per day. What's a good way of going about this? Perform it over and over again, starting slowly, and ramp up the speed when comfortable? Try to go for 100% speed from the offset?

What's a good target to be aiming towards for OLL and PLL - I currently average about 19 seconds, with 11-12 seconds for F2L.

 

[mafergut]

My OLL and PLL execution are both pretty awful - probably mostly due to the fact that I learned them all in a fairly short space of time and didn't devote much time to getting each alg down in muscle memory (there are a fair few that I still need visual cues from in the middle of execution).

I'm looking to devote some time over the next month or so to getting each alg to a point where I can perform it quickly, at the rate of a few algs per day. What's a good way of going about this? Perform it over and over again, starting slowly, and ramp up the speed when comfortable? Try to go for 100% speed from the offset?

What's a good target to be aiming towards for OLL and PLL - I currently average about 19 seconds, with 11-12 seconds for F2L.

I'd recommend aiming for acuracy and only gradually push for speed. Also get fingertrick advice from videos like Chris Olson's series "Fingertrick <X>-perm like a pro".

 

[Daniel Lin]

If your execution is slow, just practice turning.
Do an average of 100 for all 57 OLLs and 21 PLLs
That should be fun

 

[Basic Matrix]

Hi, I'm Vince. I am transitioning from 2-Look PLL to Full PLL. I'd like to learn some algs, but the problem is there so many out there that I don't know what to choose. Please tell me all the PLL algorithms you think are the best and is this question popped up already, please no hate.

Reply Format:
PLL Name (A/B/_)
Algorithm

Thank you for your cooperation, and please, no hate and spam.

 

[AlphaSheep]

Yes, there are a lot out there, because there's no clear cut best-for-everyone alg for each case. If you've got so many algorithms from many sources (which you likely have already seen, judging by your question) it's impossible to tell which are widely considered good, and which are only good for the one person who added it to that site.

That's why any the only decent source of PLL algorithms for a beginner will present multiple algorithms per case, but would also give an indication of how many people use the algorithms and rank them by popularity

The site you are looking for that does this is this one: http://algdb.net/Set/PLL

For some cases (e.g. U perms, Ra perms, Nb perms) you'll see that there's not a huge difference between the first few algorithms. Spend time on each of them and see which one suits your turning style.

For others (e.g. F perm, Y perm) you'll see that there's a definite clear winner. You should definitely go with the most popular alg in these cases.

 

[Vaya inks]

Is it weird that im trying to learn all oll before going beyond 2look pll. Im sure someone eles has done thus but im just wondering how common it is . Or if im going to regret it sub 40 so far idk how many cases i know but will count later