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Maybe biggest and smallest single to average ratio in every event (I want to see 2x2 atleast)
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Maybe biggest and smallest single to average ratio in every event (I want to see 2x2 atleast)
Lid
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Looks like the "Age vs Speed" page is gone from the WCA site, anyone know why, cause I'd really wanted a more detailed version of it.
I second that, in 2x2 I have avg/single = 1.137 for example.
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MaeLSTRoM
Veteran
Weird. It was there yesterday.
Sebastien
Premium Member
fixed formatting
Interesting idea! Here is the Top 100:
I assumed to be in that list as well and indeed I'm number 36.
Interesting idea! Here is the Top 100:
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1 16,20 2009JAGI01 Maciek Jagiełło
2 16,16 2011FOYL01 Christian Foyle
3 15,66 2010DUON01 Tuan Nghia Duong
4 15,64 2007CLAE03 Mattias Claesson
5 15,46 2011EBEL01 Frank Ebel
6 15,39 2012MAAL01 Marius Müßler
7 15,18 2008JADE01 Henry Jade
8 14,98 2010LICH03 Chia-Hsin Li (黎佳鑫)
9 14,89 2008MCKE01 Richard McKearney
10 14,80 2009ZAMZ01 Muhammad Za'im Bin Zamzam
11 14,48 2011VAND01 Alex VanderGriend
12 14,35 2010ANDE03 David Andersson
13 14,28 2009ROTA01 Marco Rota
14 14,11 2011NATH01 Marshal Nathan
15 14,07 2011REAU02 Hayden Reaume
16 14,05 2010FLOO01 Boaz Floor
17 14,04 2011HAVL01 Valentin Havlovec
18 14,02 2006SHEU01 Vincent Sheu
18 14,02 2009NATE01 Supakit Nateeraitaiwa (ศุภกิตติ์ นทีรัยโทวะ)
20 14,01 2012GABO01 Julien Gaboriaud
21 13,89 2005CAMP01 Dave Campbell
22 13,87 2006ANDO01 Kouetsu Ando (安藤弘悦)
23 13,86 2011SIMO02 Fabian Simon
24 13,81 2010HOAN06 Le-Thanh Hoang
25 13,76 2010KIKO01 Koo Chun Ki (顧俊祺)
26 13,72 2008IAMO01 Marco Iamonte
27 13,70 2009SUPC01 Anukun Supcharoenkun (อนุกูล ทรัพย์เจริญกุล)
28 13,69 2010LENG01 Daniel Yeo Sian Leng
29 13,68 2012KEJS01 Ottfried Kejs
29 13,68 2009GUGL01 David Gugl
31 13,67 2007THOM02 Phil Thomas
32 13,58 2011MERL01 Davide Merli
33 13,57 2010HAFN01 Sebastian Häfner
34 13,51 2009KIJV01 Prin Kijviwattanakarn (ปริญ กิจวิวัฒนการ)
35 13,50 2010CHAW02 Nathapat Chawawiwat (ณัฐพัชร์ ชววิวรรธน์)
36 13,45 2008AURO01 Sébastien Auroux
37 13,38 2010HYUN01 Kim Tae Hyung (김태형)
38 13,33 2008WAIM01 Mok Mun Wai (莫滿懷)
39 13,27 2009OSTA01 Roman Ostapenko (Роман Остапенко)
40 13,22 2007MOSE02 Jack Moseley
41 13,21 2009MACA01 Matias Macaya
42 13,18 2008MATS03 Kohta Matsumoto (松本滉太)
43 13,16 2011ANIS01 Dmitry Aniskin
44 13,13 2012WOYD01 Mike Woyden
45 13,12 2009SROC01 Marcin Sroczyński
46 13,09 2007SHIR01 Takuma Shirahase (白波瀬拓磨)
46 13,09 2010MICH03 Michael
48 13,08 2009YIMW01 Weragone Yimwilai (วีรากร ยิ้มวิลัย)
49 13,06 2011JOVI01 Vincent Jovian
50 13,05 2010RICH04 Yannick Richter
50 13,05 2010FUGU01 Guanda Fu (符冠达)
52 13,04 2011RECH01 Nick Rech
52 13,04 2008LINS01 Shih-Yao Lin (林詩堯)
54 13,03 2007CERP02 Renan Mondini Cerpe
55 13,01 2012FABR01 Emilien Fabre
56 12,97 2009OKAD01 Yuta Okada (岡田雄太)
57 12,96 2009ARSA01 Riadi Arsandi
58 12,94 2008LIUE01 Edward Liu
59 12,90 2006COLL01 Jimmy Coll
59 12,90 2009ZENG07 Rong Zeng (曾嵘)
61 12,89 2009KIEL01 Tomasz Kiełbasa
62 12,88 2008AUNE01 Deseree Aune
63 12,87 2006MORG01 Błażej Morgała
64 12,86 2008JUKK01 Konsta Jukka
65 12,85 2011JIAN18 Tianzhao Jiang (姜天兆)
66 12,83 2006LINC01 Chia-Leo Lin (林珈樂)
67 12,77 2007JIPT01 Kai Jiptner
68 12,76 2010MANG01 Aldino Mangawing
68 12,76 2007CHRI03 Tobias Christlieb
70 12,74 2007SINT01 Benjamin Sintes
70 12,74 2011LELE01 Gaspard Leleux
72 12,73 2003POCH01 Stefan Pochmann
72 12,73 2007ALEX01 Piotr Alexandrowicz
74 12,72 2009LIUY03 Yiming Liu (刘一鸣)
75 12,69 2010KHIE01 Chan Wai Khiew
76 12,66 2010REZA01 Yahya Reza
77 12,63 2010LOMA01 Malvin Lo
77 12,63 2009TAIV01 Eetu Taivalsaari
79 12,62 2003BRUC01 Ron van Bruchem
80 12,60 2009ROHR01 Michael Röhrer
81 12,59 2010YEPM01 Matthew Yep
82 12,56 2008SZER01 András Szermek
82 12,56 2009MONE01 Rene Ralph Moneza
84 12,55 2007LUJI01 Jia-Hong Lu (陸嘉宏)
84 12,55 2011SALG01 Daniel Cano Salgado
84 12,55 2006CORR01 Devin Corr-Robinett
87 12,54 2009GARC04 Pau Vela García
87 12,54 2011YATS01 Ilya Yatsenko
87 12,54 2010UBAL01 John Edison Ubaldo
87 12,54 2011BOGA01 Anders Bogan
91 12,52 2008YUAN01 Freddie Yuan
91 12,52 2009HIMT01 Tse Shun Him (谢顺谦)
93 12,51 2009HONG04 Preeda Hongpimolmas
93 12,51 2008TROM01 Péter Trombitás
93 12,51 2007LING01 Alexander Lin
96 12,49 2011BAIN01 Nan Bai (柏楠)
97 12,45 2005KWON01 Darren Kwong
97 12,45 2011PENG04 Shiqi Peng (彭世奇)
99 12,43 2012HUAN12 Ping-Yueh Huang (黃品越)
100 12,42 2010ESTU01 Rémi EsturouneI assumed to be in that list as well and indeed I'm number 36.
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MTGjumper
Veteran
What about fastest people without a sub-x single (for x = 7, 8, 9, 10, say)? (If you wait a few days, I should be near the top for x = 9)
oranjules
Regular
Ha, I'm better than you at that 
Evan Liu
Veteran
Code:
Anson Lin 10.00
Yan Jin 10.17
Gomain Ngernseng 10.18
Nguyễn Ngọc Thịnh 10.23
Yueh-Lin Tsai 10.24
(Simon Crawford 10.26)
Nick Stanton 10.28
Muhammad Badruddin 10.29
Tomoya Iida 10.30
Przemysław Kaleta 10.33
Jonathan Hamstad 10.34
Thom Barlow 10.34
Kaijun Lin 10.35
Ken Lin 10.39
Natthaphat Mahtani 10.42
Patricia Li 10.49
Valentin Hoffmann 10.49
Lee Jin-Hyung 10.50
Woo Jin Kim 10.55
Forte Shinko 10.56
SeungWook Eun 10.56
Yu Byeong-Seon 10.56
Jules Desjardin 10.57
Adam Polkowski 10.59
Yongting You 10.59
Jiaxi Wang 10.69
Mohamad Azraei 10.72
Tommaso Zoffoli 10.72
Zhenzhong Huang 10.74
Alexey Polyashov 10.75
Austin Reed 10.75
Rama Temmink 10.77
Yuhei Takagi 10.77
Hsuan Chang 10.78
Heo Chang-Hoe 10.79
Jorge Castillo Matas 10.79
Mitchell Lane 10.79
Weston Mizumoto 10.79
Dharmesh Shahu 10.83
Mitchell Stern 10.84
Andres Flügel 10.87
Apidet Lothanakit 10.87
Moe Nakano 10.88
Evan Liu 10.89
José Leonardo Chaparro Prieto 10.92
(Dmitry Zvyagintsev 10.93)
Kamaru-Deen Lawal 10.93
Christian Dirks 10.95
Nathaniel Knopf 10.95
Everett Kelly 10.97
Shuang Chen 10.97
Meng'an Pu 10.98
Ville Seppänen 10.99
kinch2002
Premium Member
FM Stats!
Hope you have fun reading! I did most of this 10 days ago, so that's when the database export is from.
4665 out of 7872 attempts (not counting DNS) have been successful. This is 59.3%. The rest are DNFs of course.
The mean solve is 42.43
The median solve is 41
Average result for 1st place: 32.63
Average result for 2nd place: 36.41
Average result for 3rd place: 38.91
Top 10 people ranked by Mean solve (min 5 attempts)
Top 10 people ranked by Median Attempt (min 5 attempts)
I kind of prefer this ranking because it takes account of DNFs too (i.e. you can't just submit really good results to lower your mean)
Most attempts
Most attempts without a DNF
Most attempts without a solve
Irontwig's request
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]n[/td] [td]nth Best Solve[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Jimmy Coll[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]22[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Joon Cha[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]25[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]Robert Yau[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]26[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]Sergey Ryabko[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]26[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Sébastien Auroux[/td] [td]108[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Tomoaki Okayama[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Daniel Sheppard[/td] [td]21[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Tim Reynolds[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Marcel Peters[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Teemu Tiinanen[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Claudio Muller[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Steven Xu[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Dmitry Karyakin[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Quentin Savard[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Michael Young[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Fang Qin[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]David Woner[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Jakob Kogler[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Stephen Adhisaputra[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[/table]
Top 10 countries ranked by Mean solve (min 20 attempts)
Top 10 countries ranked by Success Rate (min 20 attempts)
Top 10 countries ranked by Median attempt (min 20 attempts)
Top 10 podiums
4 competitions had the whole podium on the same result:
German Open 2011 (33), German Open 2010 (33), Nanjing Autumn 2011 (36), Munich Open 2010 (39)
4 people have missed the podium with a sub-30 solve:
Sam Boyles (USNationals2010 - 29 moves), Erik Akkersdijk (VelbertOpen2013 - 29), Linus Fresz (BWOpen2013 - 29), Andreas Pohl (BerlinOpen2013 - 29)
Hope you have fun reading! I did most of this 10 days ago, so that's when the database export is from.
4665 out of 7872 attempts (not counting DNS) have been successful. This is 59.3%. The rest are DNFs of course.
The mean solve is 42.43
The median solve is 41
Average result for 1st place: 32.63
Average result for 2nd place: 36.41
Average result for 3rd place: 38.91
Top 10 people ranked by Mean solve (min 5 attempts)
[table="width: 600, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td] [td]DNFs[/td] [td]Mean solve[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Daniel Sheppard[/td] [td]21[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]30.44[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Sébastien Auroux[/td] [td]108[/td] [td]84[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]30.65[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]Erik Jernqvist[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]30.71[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Teemu Tiinanen[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]30.9[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Steven Xu[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]31.2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]Tomoaki Okayama[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]31.24[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7[/td] [td]Yu Nakajima[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]31.56[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8[/td] [td]Moritz Karl[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]31.86[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9[/td] [td]Marcel Peters[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]32[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td] [td]Grzegorz Luczyna[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]32.15[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td] [td]DNFs[/td] [td]Mean solve[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Daniel Sheppard[/td] [td]21[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]30.44[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Sébastien Auroux[/td] [td]108[/td] [td]84[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]30.65[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]Erik Jernqvist[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]30.71[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Teemu Tiinanen[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]30.9[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Steven Xu[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]31.2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]Tomoaki Okayama[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]31.24[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7[/td] [td]Yu Nakajima[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]31.56[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8[/td] [td]Moritz Karl[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]31.86[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9[/td] [td]Marcel Peters[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]32[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td] [td]Grzegorz Luczyna[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]32.15[/td][/tr]
[/table]
I kind of prefer this ranking because it takes account of DNFs too (i.e. you can't just submit really good results to lower your mean)
[table="width: 600, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td] [td]DNFs[/td] [td]Median Attempt[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Tomoaki Okayama[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]30.5[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2=[/td] [td]Sébastien Auroux[/td] [td]108[/td] [td]84[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]31[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2=[/td] [td]Daniel Sheppard[/td] [td]21[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]31[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Chris Hardwick[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]32[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Steven Xu[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]32[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Shuang Chen[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]32[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Tim Reynolds[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]22[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]33[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Yu Nakajima[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]33[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Feliks Zemdegs[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]33[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Erik Jernqvist[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]33[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td] [td]DNFs[/td] [td]Median Attempt[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Tomoaki Okayama[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]30.5[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2=[/td] [td]Sébastien Auroux[/td] [td]108[/td] [td]84[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]31[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2=[/td] [td]Daniel Sheppard[/td] [td]21[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]31[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Chris Hardwick[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]32[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Steven Xu[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]32[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Shuang Chen[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]32[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Tim Reynolds[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]22[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]33[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Yu Nakajima[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]33[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Feliks Zemdegs[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]33[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Erik Jernqvist[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]33[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[table="width: 600, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Country[/td] [td]Attempts[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Sébastien Auroux[/td] [td]Germany[/td] [td]108[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]François Courtès[/td] [td]France[/td] [td]92[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]Erik Akkersdijk[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]91[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Clément Gallet[/td] [td]France[/td] [td]89[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Arnaud van Galen[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]81[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]Lars Vandenbergh[/td] [td]Belgium[/td] [td]52[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7[/td] [td]Ron van Bruchem[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]50[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8[/td] [td]Jan Bentlage[/td] [td]Germany[/td] [td]47[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9[/td] [td]Javier Cabezuelo Sánchez[/td] [td]Spain[/td] [td]46[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td] [td]István Kocza[/td] [td]Hungary[/td] [td]38[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Country[/td] [td]Attempts[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Sébastien Auroux[/td] [td]Germany[/td] [td]108[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]François Courtès[/td] [td]France[/td] [td]92[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]Erik Akkersdijk[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]91[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Clément Gallet[/td] [td]France[/td] [td]89[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Arnaud van Galen[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]81[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]Lars Vandenbergh[/td] [td]Belgium[/td] [td]52[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7[/td] [td]Ron van Bruchem[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]50[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8[/td] [td]Jan Bentlage[/td] [td]Germany[/td] [td]47[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9[/td] [td]Javier Cabezuelo Sánchez[/td] [td]Spain[/td] [td]46[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td] [td]István Kocza[/td] [td]Hungary[/td] [td]38[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[table="width: 600, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Country[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Bob Burton[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]30[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Maarten Smit[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]26[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]Piotr Kózka[/td] [td]Poland[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]24[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Simon Westlund[/td] [td]Sweden[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]18[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Shuang Chen[/td] [td]China[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]13[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]Timothy Sun[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]11[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Zbigniew Zborowski[/td] [td]Poland[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Mateusz Kurek[/td] [td]Poland[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Riadi Arsandi[/td] [td]Indonesia[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td] [td]Rowe Hessler[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]9[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Country[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Bob Burton[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]30[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Maarten Smit[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]26[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]Piotr Kózka[/td] [td]Poland[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]24[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Simon Westlund[/td] [td]Sweden[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]18[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Shuang Chen[/td] [td]China[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]13[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]Timothy Sun[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]11[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Zbigniew Zborowski[/td] [td]Poland[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Mateusz Kurek[/td] [td]Poland[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Riadi Arsandi[/td] [td]Indonesia[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td] [td]Rowe Hessler[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]9[/td][/tr]
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[table="width: 600, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Country[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Elisabet Delgado Mas[/td] [td]Spain[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Aki Kunikoshi[/td] [td]Japan[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]Henrik Krag[/td] [td]Denmark[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Suchakree Ladavarn[/td] [td]Thailand[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Luis Javier Iáñez Pareja[/td] [td]Spain[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]Ethan Crislip[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7[/td] [td]Leonid Timonine[/td] [td]Russia[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8[/td] [td]Antonie Paterakis[/td] [td]Greece[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9=[/td] [td]28 people[/td] [td][/td] [td]3[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Country[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Elisabet Delgado Mas[/td] [td]Spain[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Aki Kunikoshi[/td] [td]Japan[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]Henrik Krag[/td] [td]Denmark[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Suchakree Ladavarn[/td] [td]Thailand[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Luis Javier Iáñez Pareja[/td] [td]Spain[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]Ethan Crislip[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7[/td] [td]Leonid Timonine[/td] [td]Russia[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8[/td] [td]Antonie Paterakis[/td] [td]Greece[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9=[/td] [td]28 people[/td] [td][/td] [td]3[/td] [td]0[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]n[/td] [td]nth Best Solve[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Jimmy Coll[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]22[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Joon Cha[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]25[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]Robert Yau[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]26[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]Sergey Ryabko[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]26[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Sébastien Auroux[/td] [td]108[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Tomoaki Okayama[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Daniel Sheppard[/td] [td]21[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Tim Reynolds[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Marcel Peters[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Teemu Tiinanen[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Claudio Muller[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Steven Xu[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Dmitry Karyakin[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Quentin Savard[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Michael Young[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Fang Qin[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]David Woner[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Jakob Kogler[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4=[/td] [td]Stephen Adhisaputra[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]27[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Country[/td] [td]Solves[/td] [td]Mean Solve[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Finland[/td] [td]44[/td] [td]38.14[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]316[/td] [td]39.47[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]France[/td] [td]479[/td] [td]40.27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Denmark[/td] [td]84[/td] [td]41.26[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Thailand[/td] [td]57[/td] [td]41.3[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]Hungary[/td] [td]261[/td] [td]41.47[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7[/td] [td]United Kingdom[/td] [td]109[/td] [td]41.61[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8[/td] [td]Japan[/td] [td]223[/td] [td]41.74[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9[/td] [td]Sweden[/td] [td]161[/td] [td]41.85[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td] [td]Germany[/td] [td]531[/td] [td]41.93[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Country[/td] [td]Solves[/td] [td]Mean Solve[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Finland[/td] [td]44[/td] [td]38.14[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]316[/td] [td]39.47[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]France[/td] [td]479[/td] [td]40.27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Denmark[/td] [td]84[/td] [td]41.26[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Thailand[/td] [td]57[/td] [td]41.3[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]Hungary[/td] [td]261[/td] [td]41.47[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7[/td] [td]United Kingdom[/td] [td]109[/td] [td]41.61[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8[/td] [td]Japan[/td] [td]223[/td] [td]41.74[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9[/td] [td]Sweden[/td] [td]161[/td] [td]41.85[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td] [td]Germany[/td] [td]531[/td] [td]41.93[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[table="width: 600, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Country[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td] [td]Success Rate[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Australia[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]22[/td] [td]75.68%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Taiwan[/td] [td]32[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]75.00%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]Korea[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]75.00%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Malaysia[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]73.91%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Romania[/td] [td]45[/td] [td]33[/td] [td]73.33%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]United Kingdom[/td] [td]166[/td] [td]109[/td] [td]65.66%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7[/td] [td]Poland[/td] [td]557[/td] [td]362[/td] [td]64.99%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8[/td] [td]Indonesia[/td] [td]252[/td] [td]163[/td] [td]64.68%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]739[/td] [td]470[/td] [td]63.60%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td] [td]Canada[/td] [td]57[/td] [td]36[/td] [td]63.16%[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Country[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td] [td]Success Rate[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Australia[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]22[/td] [td]75.68%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Taiwan[/td] [td]32[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]75.00%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3[/td] [td]Korea[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]75.00%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Malaysia[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]73.91%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5[/td] [td]Romania[/td] [td]45[/td] [td]33[/td] [td]73.33%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6[/td] [td]United Kingdom[/td] [td]166[/td] [td]109[/td] [td]65.66%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7[/td] [td]Poland[/td] [td]557[/td] [td]362[/td] [td]64.99%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8[/td] [td]Indonesia[/td] [td]252[/td] [td]163[/td] [td]64.68%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]739[/td] [td]470[/td] [td]63.60%[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10[/td] [td]Canada[/td] [td]57[/td] [td]36[/td] [td]63.16%[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[table="width: 600, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td] [td]DNFs[/td] [td]Median Attempt[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Taiwan[/td] [td]32[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]45[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2=[/td] [td]France[/td] [td]817[/td] [td]479[/td] [td]338[/td] [td]47[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2=[/td] [td]Australia[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]22[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]47[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Finland[/td] [td]76[/td] [td]44[/td] [td]32[/td] [td]47.5[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5=[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]739[/td] [td]470[/td] [td]269[/td] [td]48[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5=[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]552[/td] [td]316[/td] [td]236[/td] [td]48[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5=[/td] [td]United Kingdom[/td] [td]166[/td] [td]109[/td] [td]57[/td] [td]48[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8=[/td] [td]Poland[/td] [td]557[/td] [td]362[/td] [td]195[/td] [td]49[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8=[/td] [td]Hungary[/td] [td]429[/td] [td]261[/td] [td]168[/td] [td]49[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8=[/td] [td]Japan[/td] [td]354[/td] [td]223[/td] [td]131[/td] [td]49[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8=[/td] [td]Sweden[/td] [td]265[/td] [td]161[/td] [td]104[/td] [td]49[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8=[/td] [td]Romania[/td] [td]45[/td] [td]33[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]49[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Name[/td] [td]Attempts[/td] [td]Solves[/td] [td]DNFs[/td] [td]Median Attempt[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]Taiwan[/td] [td]32[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]45[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2=[/td] [td]France[/td] [td]817[/td] [td]479[/td] [td]338[/td] [td]47[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2=[/td] [td]Australia[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]22[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]47[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4[/td] [td]Finland[/td] [td]76[/td] [td]44[/td] [td]32[/td] [td]47.5[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5=[/td] [td]USA[/td] [td]739[/td] [td]470[/td] [td]269[/td] [td]48[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5=[/td] [td]Netherlands[/td] [td]552[/td] [td]316[/td] [td]236[/td] [td]48[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5=[/td] [td]United Kingdom[/td] [td]166[/td] [td]109[/td] [td]57[/td] [td]48[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8=[/td] [td]Poland[/td] [td]557[/td] [td]362[/td] [td]195[/td] [td]49[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8=[/td] [td]Hungary[/td] [td]429[/td] [td]261[/td] [td]168[/td] [td]49[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8=[/td] [td]Japan[/td] [td]354[/td] [td]223[/td] [td]131[/td] [td]49[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8=[/td] [td]Sweden[/td] [td]265[/td] [td]161[/td] [td]104[/td] [td]49[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8=[/td] [td]Romania[/td] [td]45[/td] [td]33[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]49[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[table="width: 600, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Competition[/td] [td]1st[/td] [td]2nd[/td] [td]3rd[/td] [td]Sum[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]BW Open 2013[/td] [td]21[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]74[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Saarland Open 2012[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]25[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]78[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]United States Rubik's Cube Championships 2010[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]79[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]Czech Open 2012[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]79[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]Velbert Open 2013[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]79[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]Berlin Open 2013[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]79[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]German Open 2013[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]80[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Weston-super-Mare 2012[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]80[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9=[/td] [td]Dutch Nationals 2010[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]31[/td] [td]81[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9=[/td] [td]Twente Open 2012[/td] [td]25[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]81[/td][/tr]
[/table]
[tr][td]Rank[/td] [td]Competition[/td] [td]1st[/td] [td]2nd[/td] [td]3rd[/td] [td]Sum[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td] [td]BW Open 2013[/td] [td]21[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]74[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td] [td]Saarland Open 2012[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]25[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]78[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]United States Rubik's Cube Championships 2010[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]79[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]Czech Open 2012[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]29[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]79[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]Velbert Open 2013[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]79[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3=[/td] [td]Berlin Open 2013[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]28[/td] [td]79[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]German Open 2013[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]80[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7=[/td] [td]Weston-super-Mare 2012[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]27[/td] [td]80[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9=[/td] [td]Dutch Nationals 2010[/td] [td]24[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]31[/td] [td]81[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9=[/td] [td]Twente Open 2012[/td] [td]25[/td] [td]26[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]81[/td][/tr]
[/table]
German Open 2011 (33), German Open 2010 (33), Nanjing Autumn 2011 (36), Munich Open 2010 (39)
4 people have missed the podium with a sub-30 solve:
Sam Boyles (USNationals2010 - 29 moves), Erik Akkersdijk (VelbertOpen2013 - 29), Linus Fresz (BWOpen2013 - 29), Andreas Pohl (BerlinOpen2013 - 29)
Stefan
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Crazycubemom
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Why they don't like them Stefan? do you have any idea?
I don't understand why people so shy to tell the truth about her or his age?
Sorry if I'm wrong
ben1996123
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can you do worst podiums for each event?
Lid
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Could you just have the diagrams as before, but without any names? That shoudn't bother anyone imo.
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Can you do number of people who have had at least one WR, CR or NR?
Stefan
Legend
Nah, wasn't the people in those statistics. I never heard of anyone complaining because of themselves. I only heard people being proud of being on those lists or wishing they were on them (me as well, I once got very close to having the best 3x3 average for my age). And of course for years the regulations explicitly excluded birth date from being confidential, so all competitors kinda explicitly agreed to them being used publicly, but apparently that doesn't matter.
One could still reverse engineer at least the approximate ages of the world record holders, so... no. Otherwise I would've expected the guys to already just remove the list of names on that page rather than the entire page. No, all birth date related stuff is categorically off the table now. I think I'm not even allowed to tell you the average age of all competitors.
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Crazycubemom
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Nah, wasn't the people in those statistics. I never heard of anyone complaining because of themselves. I only heard people being proud of being on those lists or wishing they were on them (me as well, I once got very close to having the best 3x3 average for my age). And of course for years the regulations explicitly excluded birth date from being confidential, so all competitors kinda explicitly agreed to them being used publicly, but apparently that doesn't matter
Means: You still have the time to get The Best 3x3 average for your age. Keep on practice Stefan
Sorry I'm weird
CarlBrannen
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On the age vs speed thing, this is pretty much the only reason I speed cube. I can see privacy concerns being important.
I suppose we can use "age groups" as is done in other sports. For example, here are the current outdoor track records for men and women, by age group and distance:
http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/records/outdoor-men
http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/records/outdoor-women
For example, Ronald Taylor has the outdoor record for the 100m in men 60 and older.
By the way, if you're curious about what we're talking about here (but can't see it because the page has been deleted), you can use the "way back" tool to show the WCA record for "age vs speed" as it appeared in May 2013:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130512...ssociation.org/results/misc/age_vs_speed.html
I suppose we can use "age groups" as is done in other sports. For example, here are the current outdoor track records for men and women, by age group and distance:
http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/records/outdoor-men
http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/records/outdoor-women
For example, Ronald Taylor has the outdoor record for the 100m in men 60 and older.
By the way, if you're curious about what we're talking about here (but can't see it because the page has been deleted), you can use the "way back" tool to show the WCA record for "age vs speed" as it appeared in May 2013:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130512...ssociation.org/results/misc/age_vs_speed.html
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Noahaha
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My dad is going to be heartbroken. His goal has been to be one of the top 10 oldest BLD solvers.
EDIT: He's not heartbroken.
EDIT: He's not heartbroken.
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I will miss those stats. ("Silly lists", as Mats Bergsten called them.) I was really working hard to try to get on the age vs. speed 3x3x3 list, even if it did seem almost hopeless to ever surpass Ton - I was at least going to try!
lucascube
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Awwww bummer. I will miss Age vs. Speed. I really enjoyed breaking records qualified by age. I was looking forward to seeing my recent 7.77 stack up in the Single column. 
Ton
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh , that was my only award , this list was my motivator , silly to remove I am willing to take up the task to generate this list if it is the amount of work to make the list. These stats is my only list where I am relative nr 1 of the world.
btw it is silly to have age as a confidential issue , what is confidential ? Main cubers are already on a wiki page with age , age is a give away at competitions . No one believe me when I say I am 18
btw it is silly to have age as a confidential issue , what is confidential ? Main cubers are already on a wiki page with age , age is a give away at competitions . No one believe me when I say I am 18
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