# Odd WCA stats/ Stats request Thread

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I'd like to see a list of those with slow PB averages that also have a sub 10 single.
Maybe biggest and smallest single to average ratio in every event (I want to see 2x2 atleast)

#### Lid

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Looks like the "Age vs Speed" page is gone from the WCA site, anyone know why, cause I'd really wanted a more detailed version of it.

Maybe biggest and smallest single to average ratio in every event (I want to see 2x2 atleast)
I second that, in 2x2 I have avg/single = 1.137 for example.

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#### MaeLSTRoM

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Looks like the "Age vs Speed" page is gone from the WCA site, anyone know why, cause I'd really wanted a more detailed version of it.
Weird. It was there yesterday.

#### Sebastien

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I'd like to see a list of those with slow PB averages that also have a sub 10 single.
Interesting idea! Here is the Top 100:

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1	16,20	2009JAGI01	Maciek Jagiełło
2	16,16	2011FOYL01	Christian Foyle
3	15,66	2010DUON01	Tuan Nghia Duong
4	15,64	2007CLAE03	Mattias Claesson
5	15,46	2011EBEL01	Frank Ebel
6	15,39	2012MAAL01	Marius Müßler
8	14,98	2010LICH03	Chia-Hsin Li (黎佳鑫)
9	14,89	2008MCKE01	Richard McKearney
10	14,80	2009ZAMZ01	Muhammad Za'im Bin Zamzam
11	14,48	2011VAND01	Alex VanderGriend
13	14,28	2009ROTA01	Marco Rota
14	14,11	2011NATH01	Marshal Nathan
15	14,07	2011REAU02	Hayden Reaume
16	14,05	2010FLOO01	Boaz Floor
17	14,04	2011HAVL01	Valentin Havlovec
18	14,02	2006SHEU01	Vincent Sheu
18	14,02	2009NATE01	Supakit Nateeraitaiwa (ศุภกิตติ์ นทีรัยโทวะ)
20	14,01	2012GABO01	Julien Gaboriaud
21	13,89	2005CAMP01	Dave Campbell
22	13,87	2006ANDO01	Kouetsu Ando (安藤弘悦)
23	13,86	2011SIMO02	Fabian Simon
24	13,81	2010HOAN06	Le-Thanh Hoang
25	13,76	2010KIKO01	Koo Chun Ki (顧俊祺)
26	13,72	2008IAMO01	Marco Iamonte
27	13,70	2009SUPC01	Anukun Supcharoenkun (อนุกูล ทรัพย์เจริญกุล)
28	13,69	2010LENG01	Daniel Yeo Sian Leng
29	13,68	2012KEJS01	Ottfried Kejs
29	13,68	2009GUGL01	David Gugl
31	13,67	2007THOM02	Phil Thomas
32	13,58	2011MERL01	Davide Merli
33	13,57	2010HAFN01	Sebastian Häfner
34	13,51	2009KIJV01	Prin Kijviwattanakarn (ปริญ กิจวิวัฒนการ)
35	13,50	2010CHAW02	Nathapat Chawawiwat (ณัฐพัชร์ ชววิวรรธน์)
36	13,45	2008AURO01	Sébastien Auroux
37	13,38	2010HYUN01	Kim Tae Hyung (김태형)
38	13,33	2008WAIM01	Mok Mun Wai (莫滿懷)
39	13,27	2009OSTA01	Roman Ostapenko (Роман Остапенко)
40	13,22	2007MOSE02	Jack Moseley
41	13,21	2009MACA01	Matias Macaya
42	13,18	2008MATS03	Kohta Matsumoto (松本滉太)
43	13,16	2011ANIS01	Dmitry Aniskin
44	13,13	2012WOYD01	Mike Woyden
45	13,12	2009SROC01	Marcin Sroczyński
46	13,09	2007SHIR01	Takuma Shirahase (白波瀬拓磨)
46	13,09	2010MICH03	Michael
48	13,08	2009YIMW01	Weragone Yimwilai (วีรากร ยิ้มวิลัย)
49	13,06	2011JOVI01	Vincent Jovian
50	13,05	2010RICH04	Yannick Richter
50	13,05	2010FUGU01	Guanda Fu (符冠达)
52	13,04	2011RECH01	Nick Rech
52	13,04	2008LINS01	Shih-Yao Lin (林詩堯)
54	13,03	2007CERP02	Renan Mondini Cerpe
55	13,01	2012FABR01	Emilien Fabre
58	12,94	2008LIUE01	Edward Liu
59	12,90	2006COLL01	Jimmy Coll
59	12,90	2009ZENG07	Rong Zeng (曾嵘)
61	12,89	2009KIEL01	Tomasz Kiełbasa
62	12,88	2008AUNE01	Deseree Aune
63	12,87	2006MORG01	Błażej Morgała
64	12,86	2008JUKK01	Konsta Jukka
65	12,85	2011JIAN18	Tianzhao Jiang (姜天兆)
66	12,83	2006LINC01	Chia-Leo Lin (林珈樂)
67	12,77	2007JIPT01	Kai Jiptner
68	12,76	2010MANG01	Aldino Mangawing
68	12,76	2007CHRI03	Tobias Christlieb
70	12,74	2007SINT01	Benjamin Sintes
70	12,74	2011LELE01	Gaspard Leleux
72	12,73	2003POCH01	Stefan Pochmann
72	12,73	2007ALEX01	Piotr Alexandrowicz
74	12,72	2009LIUY03	Yiming Liu (刘一鸣)
75	12,69	2010KHIE01	Chan Wai Khiew
76	12,66	2010REZA01	Yahya Reza
77	12,63	2010LOMA01	Malvin Lo
77	12,63	2009TAIV01	Eetu Taivalsaari
79	12,62	2003BRUC01	Ron van Bruchem
80	12,60	2009ROHR01	Michael Röhrer
81	12,59	2010YEPM01	Matthew Yep
82	12,56	2008SZER01	András Szermek
82	12,56	2009MONE01	Rene Ralph Moneza
84	12,55	2007LUJI01	Jia-Hong Lu (陸嘉宏)
84	12,55	2011SALG01	Daniel Cano Salgado
84	12,55	2006CORR01	Devin Corr-Robinett
87	12,54	2009GARC04	Pau Vela García
87	12,54	2011YATS01	Ilya Yatsenko
87	12,54	2010UBAL01	John Edison Ubaldo
87	12,54	2011BOGA01	Anders Bogan
91	12,52	2008YUAN01	Freddie Yuan
91	12,52	2009HIMT01	Tse Shun Him (谢顺谦)
93	12,51	2009HONG04	Preeda Hongpimolmas
93	12,51	2008TROM01	Péter Trombitás
93	12,51	2007LING01	Alexander Lin
96	12,49	2011BAIN01	Nan Bai (柏楠)
97	12,45	2005KWON01	Darren Kwong
97	12,45	2011PENG04	Shiqi Peng (彭世奇)
99	12,43	2012HUAN12	Ping-Yueh Huang (黃品越)
100	12,42	2010ESTU01	Rémi Esturoune
I assumed to be in that list as well and indeed I'm number 36.

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#### MTGjumper

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What about fastest people without a sub-x single (for x = 7, 8, 9, 10, say)? (If you wait a few days, I should be near the top for x = 9)

#### oranjules

##### Member
Ha, I'm better than you at that

#### Evan Liu

##### Member
(If you wait a few days, I should be near the top for x = 9)
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Anson Lin 10.00
Yan Jin 10.17
Gomain Ngernseng 10.18
Nguyễn Ngọc Thịnh 10.23
Yueh-Lin Tsai 10.24
(Simon Crawford 10.26)
Nick Stanton 10.28
Tomoya Iida 10.30
Przemysław Kaleta 10.33
Thom Barlow 10.34
Kaijun Lin 10.35
Ken Lin 10.39
Natthaphat Mahtani 10.42
Patricia Li 10.49
Valentin Hoffmann 10.49
Lee Jin-Hyung 10.50
Woo Jin Kim 10.55
Forte Shinko 10.56
SeungWook Eun 10.56
Yu Byeong-Seon 10.56
Jules Desjardin 10.57
Yongting You 10.59
Jiaxi Wang 10.69
Tommaso Zoffoli 10.72
Zhenzhong Huang 10.74
Alexey Polyashov 10.75
Austin Reed 10.75
Rama Temmink 10.77
Yuhei Takagi 10.77
Hsuan Chang 10.78
Heo Chang-Hoe 10.79
Jorge Castillo Matas 10.79
Mitchell Lane 10.79
Weston Mizumoto 10.79
Dharmesh Shahu 10.83
Mitchell Stern 10.84
Andres Flügel 10.87
Apidet Lothanakit 10.87
Moe Nakano 10.88
Evan Liu 10.89
José Leonardo Chaparro Prieto 10.92
(Dmitry Zvyagintsev 10.93)
Kamaru-Deen Lawal 10.93
Christian Dirks 10.95
Nathaniel Knopf 10.95
Everett Kelly 10.97
Shuang Chen 10.97
Meng'an Pu 10.98
Ville Seppänen 10.99
These are all the people with a 10.xx average but no sub-9 single. All the 9.xx average people have a sub-9 single (I checked), so this list is in fact all the "fastest" people. Two people are in parentheses since their results are on cubecomps but have not been made official yet.

#### kinch2002

FM Stats!

Hope you have fun reading! I did most of this 10 days ago, so that's when the database export is from.

4665 out of 7872 attempts (not counting DNS) have been successful. This is 59.3%. The rest are DNFs of course.

The mean solve is 42.43
The median solve is 41

Average result for 1st place: 32.63
Average result for 2nd place: 36.41
Average result for 3rd place: 38.91

Top 10 people ranked by Mean solve (min 5 attempts)
 Rank Name Attempts Solves DNFs Mean solve 1 Daniel Sheppard 21 18 3 30.44 2 Sébastien Auroux 108 84 24 30.65 3 Erik Jernqvist 13 7 6 30.71 4 Teemu Tiinanen 19 10 9 30.9 5 Steven Xu 5 5 0 31.2 6 Tomoaki Okayama 30 29 1 31.24 7 Yu Nakajima 13 9 4 31.56 8 Moritz Karl 10 7 3 31.86 9 Marcel Peters 17 10 7 32 10 Grzegorz Luczyna 20 13 7 32.15
Top 10 people ranked by Median Attempt (min 5 attempts)
I kind of prefer this ranking because it takes account of DNFs too (i.e. you can't just submit really good results to lower your mean)
 Rank Name Attempts Solves DNFs Median Attempt 1 Tomoaki Okayama 30 29 1 30.5 2= Sébastien Auroux 108 84 24 31 2= Daniel Sheppard 21 18 3 31 4= Chris Hardwick 6 6 0 32 4= Steven Xu 5 5 0 32 4= Shuang Chen 13 13 0 32 7= Tim Reynolds 29 22 7 33 7= Yu Nakajima 13 9 4 33 7= Feliks Zemdegs 5 5 0 33 7= Erik Jernqvist 13 7 6 33
Most attempts
 Rank Name Country Attempts 1 Sébastien Auroux Germany 108 2 François Courtès France 92 3 Erik Akkersdijk Netherlands 91 4 Clément Gallet France 89 5 Arnaud van Galen Netherlands 81 6 Lars Vandenbergh Belgium 52 7 Ron van Bruchem Netherlands 50 8 Jan Bentlage Germany 47 9 Javier Cabezuelo Sánchez Spain 46 10 István Kocza Hungary 38
Most attempts without a DNF
 Rank Name Country Attempts Solves 1 Bob Burton USA 30 30 2 Maarten Smit Netherlands 26 26 3 Piotr Kózka Poland 24 24 4 Simon Westlund Sweden 18 18 5 Shuang Chen China 13 13 6 Timothy Sun USA 11 11 7= Zbigniew Zborowski Poland 10 10 7= Mateusz Kurek Poland 10 10 7= Riadi Arsandi Indonesia 10 10 10 Rowe Hessler USA 9 9
Most attempts without a solve
 Rank Name Country Attempts Solves 1 Elisabet Delgado Mas Spain 12 0 2 Aki Kunikoshi Japan 7 0 3 Henrik Krag Denmark 7 0 4 Suchakree Ladavarn Thailand 6 0 5 Luis Javier Iáñez Pareja Spain 6 0 6 Ethan Crislip USA 6 0 7 Leonid Timonine Russia 4 0 8 Antonie Paterakis Greece 4 0 9= 28 people 3 0
Irontwig's request
This could be a little bit tricky:
Official FMC results; if you have done <10n attempts you're ranked according to your nth best solve. I.e. 1-9 attempts: best solve, 10-19 second best solve, 20-29 third best solve...
 Rank Name Attempts n nth Best Solve 1 Jimmy Coll 7 1 22 2 Joon Cha 1 1 25 3= Robert Yau 7 1 26 3= Sergey Ryabko 9 1 26 4= Sébastien Auroux 108 10 27 4= Tomoaki Okayama 30 4 27 4= Daniel Sheppard 21 3 27 4= Tim Reynolds 29 3 27 4= Marcel Peters 17 2 27 4= Teemu Tiinanen 19 2 27 4= Claudio Muller 3 1 27 4= Steven Xu 5 1 27 4= Dmitry Karyakin 5 1 27 4= Quentin Savard 6 1 27 4= Michael Young 7 1 27 4= Fang Qin 8 1 27 4= David Woner 8 1 27 4= Jakob Kogler 8 1 27 4= Stephen Adhisaputra 9 1 27
Top 10 countries ranked by Mean solve (min 20 attempts)
 Rank Country Solves Mean Solve 1 Finland 44 38.14 2 Netherlands 316 39.47 3 France 479 40.27 4 Denmark 84 41.26 5 Thailand 57 41.3 6 Hungary 261 41.47 7 United Kingdom 109 41.61 8 Japan 223 41.74 9 Sweden 161 41.85 10 Germany 531 41.93
Top 10 countries ranked by Success Rate (min 20 attempts)
 Rank Country Attempts Solves Success Rate 1 Australia 29 22 75.68% 2 Taiwan 32 24 75.00% 3 Korea 24 18 75.00% 4 Malaysia 23 17 73.91% 5 Romania 45 33 73.33% 6 United Kingdom 166 109 65.66% 7 Poland 557 362 64.99% 8 Indonesia 252 163 64.68% 9 USA 739 470 63.60% 10 Canada 57 36 63.16%
Top 10 countries ranked by Median attempt (min 20 attempts)
 Rank Name Attempts Solves DNFs Median Attempt 1 Taiwan 32 24 8 45 2= France 817 479 338 47 2= Australia 29 22 7 47 4 Finland 76 44 32 47.5 5= USA 739 470 269 48 5= Netherlands 552 316 236 48 5= United Kingdom 166 109 57 48 8= Poland 557 362 195 49 8= Hungary 429 261 168 49 8= Japan 354 223 131 49 8= Sweden 265 161 104 49 8= Romania 45 33 12 49
Top 10 podiums
 Rank Competition 1st 2nd 3rd Sum 1 BW Open 2013 21 26 27 74 2 Saarland Open 2012 24 25 29 78 3= United States Rubik's Cube Championships 2010 24 27 28 79 3= Czech Open 2012 20 29 30 79 3= Velbert Open 2013 26 26 27 79 3= Berlin Open 2013 23 28 28 79 7= German Open 2013 23 27 30 80 7= Weston-super-Mare 2012 26 27 27 80 9= Dutch Nationals 2010 24 26 31 81 9= Twente Open 2012 25 26 30 81
4 competitions had the whole podium on the same result:
German Open 2011 (33), German Open 2010 (33), Nanjing Autumn 2011 (36), Munich Open 2010 (39)

4 people have missed the podium with a sub-30 solve:
Sam Boyles (USNationals2010 - 29 moves), Erik Akkersdijk (VelbertOpen2013 - 29), Linus Fresz (BWOpen2013 - 29), Andreas Pohl (BerlinOpen2013 - 29)

#### Stefan

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Looks like the "Age vs Speed" page is gone from the WCA site, anyone know why
Some people don't like them so they changed the regulations so that birth dates are now considered confidential information and then now they deleted all age statistics because of it (the top 10 youngest/oldest solvers we had here as well).

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#### Crazycubemom

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Some people don't like them so they changed the regulations so that birth dates are now considered confidential information and then now they deleted all age statistics because of it (the top 10 youngest/oldest solvers we had here as well).

Why they don't like them Stefan? do you have any idea?

I don't understand why people so shy to tell the truth about her or his age?

Sorry if I'm wrong

#### ben1996123

##### Banned
can you do worst podiums for each event?

#### Lid

##### Member
Some people don't like them so they changed the regulations so that birth dates are now considered confidential information and then now they deleted all age statistics because of it (the top 10 youngest/oldest solvers we had here as well).
Could you just have the diagrams as before, but without any names? That shoudn't bother anyone imo.

#### Stefan

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I don't understand why people so shy to tell the truth about her or his age?
Nah, wasn't the people in those statistics. I never heard of anyone complaining because of themselves. I only heard people being proud of being on those lists or wishing they were on them (me as well, I once got very close to having the best 3x3 average for my age). And of course for years the regulations explicitly excluded birth date from being confidential, so all competitors kinda explicitly agreed to them being used publicly, but apparently that doesn't matter.

Could you just have the diagrams as before, but without any names? That shoudn't bother anyone imo.
One could still reverse engineer at least the approximate ages of the world record holders, so... no. Otherwise I would've expected the guys to already just remove the list of names on that page rather than the entire page. No, all birth date related stuff is categorically off the table now. I think I'm not even allowed to tell you the average age of all competitors.

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#### Crazycubemom

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Nah, wasn't the people in those statistics. I never heard of anyone complaining because of themselves. I only heard people being proud of being on those lists or wishing they were on them (me as well, I once got very close to having the best 3x3 average for my age). And of course for years the regulations explicitly excluded birth date from being confidential, so all competitors kinda explicitly agreed to them being used publicly, but apparently that doesn't matter

Sorry I'm weird

#### CarlBrannen

##### Member
On the age vs speed thing, this is pretty much the only reason I speed cube. I can see privacy concerns being important.

I suppose we can use "age groups" as is done in other sports. For example, here are the current outdoor track records for men and women, by age group and distance:

http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/records/outdoor-men

http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/records/outdoor-women

For example, Ronald Taylor has the outdoor record for the 100m in men 60 and older.

By the way, if you're curious about what we're talking about here (but can't see it because the page has been deleted), you can use the "way back" tool to show the WCA record for "age vs speed" as it appeared in May 2013:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130512052623/http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/misc/age_vs_speed.html

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#### Noahaha

##### blindmod
My dad is going to be heartbroken. His goal has been to be one of the top 10 oldest BLD solvers.

EDIT: He's not heartbroken.

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#### Mike Hughey

##### Super Moderator
Staff member
I will miss those stats. ("Silly lists", as Mats Bergsten called them.) I was really working hard to try to get on the age vs. speed 3x3x3 list, even if it did seem almost hopeless to ever surpass Ton - I was at least going to try!

#### lucascube

##### Member
Awwww bummer. I will miss Age vs. Speed. I really enjoyed breaking records qualified by age. I was looking forward to seeing my recent 7.77 stack up in the Single column.

#### Ton

##### Member
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh , that was my only award , this list was my motivator , silly to remove I am willing to take up the task to generate this list if it is the amount of work to make the list. These stats is my only list where I am relative nr 1 of the world.

btw it is silly to have age as a confidential issue , what is confidential ? Main cubers are already on a wiki page with age , age is a give away at competitions . No one believe me when I say I am 18

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