# Odd WCA stats/ Stats request Thread

#### UncleFrank

##### Member
When looking at the database export, table WCA_export_RanksSingle.tsv,
how do you decipher the result for 333mbf (multi blind)?

For example, #1, Graham Siggins, has 410358601.
His real result is 59/60 59:46.
I figured out that the 3586 part in the middle is his time in seconds, in his case 59:46.
Looking at his real result and several others after him, it looks like the final 2 digits may be the number of incorrect solves,
But that leaves the first 3 digits, 410, and I can't figure out how they get 59/60 from that.

#### Imsoosm

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When looking at the database export, table WCA_export_RanksSingle.tsv,
how do you decipher the result for 333mbf (multi blind)?

For example, #1, Graham Siggins, has 410358601.
His real result is 59/60 59:46.
I figured out that the 3586 part in the middle is his time in seconds, in his case 59:46.
Looking at his real result and several others after him, it looks like the final 2 digits may be the number of incorrect solves,
But that leaves the first 3 digits, 410, and I can't figure out how they get 59/60 from that.
What do other people's stats say for the first three numbers?

#### xyzzy

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When looking at the database export, table WCA_export_RanksSingle.tsv,
how do you decipher the result for 333mbf (multi blind)?

For example, #1, Graham Siggins, has 410358601.
His real result is 59/60 59:46.
I figured out that the 3586 part in the middle is his time in seconds, in his case 59:46.
Looking at his real result and several others after him, it looks like the final 2 digits may be the number of incorrect solves,
But that leaves the first 3 digits, 410, and I can't figure out how they get 59/60 from that.
From the WCA database export page:
- The format "multi" is for old and new multi-blind, encoding the time as well
as the number of cubes attempted and solved. This is a decimal value,
which can be interpreted ("decoded") as follows:

old: 1SSAATTTTT
solved = 99 - SS
attempted = AA
timeInSeconds = TTTTT (99999 means unknown)
new: 0DDTTTTTMM
difference = 99 - DD
timeInSeconds = TTTTT (99999 means unknown)
missed = MM
solved = difference + missed
attempted = solved + missed

In order to encode data, use the following procedure:

solved = # cubes solved
attempted = # cubes attempted
missed = # cubes missed = attempted - solved
DD = 99 - (solved - missed)
TTTTT = solve time in seconds
MM = missed

Note that this is designed so that a smaller decimal value means a better
result. This format does not support more than 99 attempted cubes, or times
greater than 99999 seconds (about 27.7 hours).

The "41" means that there were 99−41 = 59 cubes solved. Time taken is recorded with five digits, not just four, to accommodate old-style MBLD results.

#### UncleFrank

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From the WCA database export page:

The "41" means that there were 99−41 = 59 cubes solved. Time taken is recorded with five digits, not just four, to accommodate old-style MBLD results.

I'm blind. I looked right at that page and missed it.
Thanks!

#### Silky

##### Member
Do we have Anthony Snyder's WCA profile?

#### UncleFrank

##### Member
and here is my use of the stats that I was asking about how to decipher results in the export:

#### UncleFrank

##### Member
Using the wca export, would it be possible to recreate the RanksAverage and RanksSingle tables from the export so they contain only results since 2012, eliminating anything prior to 2012?

I was thinking that using only times from the past 10 years or so, might be a more accurate indication of current cubing for my Cubing Time Standards chart (linked a couple replies above), than including times that are 15, 18, 19 years old.

#### Silky

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Anthony Snyder is, big surprise, the developer of the Snyder method. He mainly cubed during the dark ages, 1982-2004. He made some bold claims to say the least. Most notably he claimed to be the fastest in the world during late 80s through the 90s while also achieving a 11 second solve. Very little evidence/documentation of these claims. The are a few records of pre-WCA comps getting 30 second solves ( obviously far off from his claims of getting 17 second averages ). More suspicious is that, after these claims, he stopped cubing during the founding of the WCA and official record keeping. Curious if he ever went to an actual WCA comp helping to support his claims. He should have been active since he stopped in 2004.

#### Mike Hughey

Staff member
Anthony Snyder is, big surprise, the developer of the Snyder method. He mainly cubed during the dark ages, 1982-2004. He made some bold claims to say the least. Most notably he claimed to be the fastest in the world during late 80s through the 90s while also achieving a 11 second solve. Very little evidence/documentation of these claims. The are a few records of pre-WCA comps getting 30 second solves ( obviously far off from his claims of getting 17 second averages ). More suspicious is that, after these claims, he stopped cubing during the founding of the WCA and official record keeping. Curious if he ever went to an actual WCA comp helping to support his claims. He should have been active since he stopped in 2004.
I don't believe he ever competed officially. Keep in mind there were VERY few WCA competitions prior to 2005, and extremely few prior to 2004. So he probably only had a few chances where he might have been able to attend one.

#### cuberswoop

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Anthony Snyder is, big surprise, the developer of the Snyder method. He mainly cubed during the dark ages, 1982-2004. He made some bold claims to say the least. Most notably he claimed to be the fastest in the world during late 80s through the 90s while also achieving a 11 second solve. Very little evidence/documentation of these claims. The are a few records of pre-WCA comps getting 30 second solves ( obviously far off from his claims of getting 17 second averages ). More suspicious is that, after these claims, he stopped cubing during the founding of the WCA and official record keeping. Curious if he ever went to an actual WCA comp helping to support his claims. He should have been active since he stopped in 2004.
Looking at his website, he looks like he was like 20 years ahead of his time. Also, an average of 30 moves for a speedsolving method? The fastest time possible is around 4.5? This seems like an interesting rabbit hole.

#### Silky

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Looking at his website, he looks like he was like 20 years ahead of his time. Also, an average of 30 moves for a speedsolving method? The fastest time possible is around 4.5? This seems like an interesting rabbit hole.
Snyder 3 was never developed/released (which I assume your getting the 30 number from ) and Snyder 2, while developed, was never made publicly available, despite having the means to do so ( unlike Lars, Jessica, and Heise releasing their methods/resources for free online ). Snyder 3 wasn't developed specifically due to not receiving funds for writing a book. He was looking for \$5000+ donations. Also has some interesting thoughts on flat earth

#### UncleFrank

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So, some wild claims. Sounds like someone who will continue to say his claims are true because they've never been disproven, ignoring the plain and simple fact that they've never been proven, either, and these methods will never be released, either, so that they can't be disproven.

Looking up WCA results > Persons, I see 18 Snyder's but none of them are Anthony (or Tony).

#### Silky

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So, some wild claims. Sounds like someone who will continue to say his claims are true because they've never been disproven, ignoring the plain and simple fact that they've never been proven, either, and these methods will never be released, either, so that they can't be disproven.

Looking up WCA results > Persons, I see 18 Snyder's but none of them are Anthony (or Tony).
Although his methods weren't released there has still been development of them, specifically, Fish and Chip. I've heard rumors that someone is currently developing/modernizing Snyder.. Definitely not a thread on it which you can absolutely not find here. This mysterious person, I've heard, maybe could say that Snyder averages around 45-ish moves. If true, his origianl claims would have been exaggerated but also not a ridiculous overstatement ( Snyder 3 on the other hand cannot be spoken to ). Also I wouldn't recommend reading this thread which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

#### Mike Hughey

Staff member
Another thread which you absolutely would not want to check out.

#### callumthecuber

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fastest time to do all events?

#### theos

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fastest time to do all events?
Going to need seem clarification here... Do you mean the sum of an individual's PB singles across all 17 WCA events? How do you count FMC and MBLD?

#### OtterCuber

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Using the wca export, would it be possible to recreate the RanksAverage and RanksSingle tables from the export so they contain only results since 2012, eliminating anything prior to 2012?

I was thinking that using only times from the past 10 years or so, might be a more accurate indication of current cubing for my Cubing Time Standards chart (linked a couple replies above), than including times that are 15, 18, 19 years old.
Yes, just remove pre-2012 results and re-calculate those variables.

#### callumthecuber

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@theos to get a mean/avg in all events except mbld