[Help Thread] 4x4 Discussion

[joshsailscga]

Yau only advantage is that you complete cross first right? I have tried yau and It kinda bleh. can reduction be sub 45 relatively easily?

For a straight answer, no.
Since your cross is done first, your last 8 edges are NOT on the bottom, which is very good for lookahead.

 

[Sergeant Baboon]

I'm having trouble with the stadler method. I the same case as A3 on http://www.speedcubing.ch/4x4 Solution/Stadler Methode 4x4.htm , and I perform the alg, and nothing happens. Is it possible I'm doing it wrong?

I don't see A3 anywhere on that page, what step are you referring to?

edit: now I see what you're talking about. That alg doesn't seem to work for me either.

 

[mark49152]

I use Hoya ATM and average around 1:30-1:35
F4C: 10-15
F4E/L2C: 25
L8E: 20-30 (it's the lower one if I solve cross+1 edge)
3x3x3: 30

What should I work on?

(I've only been doing Hoya for about 2 days so far but I love the lookahead compared to Yau, straight redux or Meyer- I haven't gotten around to K4 yet).

A while ago I did some analysis of fast solves and worked out the splits. There aren't enough Hoya reconstructions around so this is mostly extrapolated from Yau/redux solves, but at least it gives something to aim for.

• 18% - F4C
• 19% - F4E & cross
• 4% - L2C
• 20% - L8E
• 39% - 3x3

 

[Isaac Lai]

For a straight answer, no.
Since your cross is done first, your last 8 edges are NOT on the bottom, which is very good for lookahead.

I'm quite sure Feliks switched to Yau only after becoming sub-40.

 

[Berd]

I'm quite sure Feliks switched to Yau only after becoming sub-40.

Only because the method was relatively unpopular/unknown at the time.

 

[Isaac Lai]

Only because the method was relatively unpopular/unknown at the time.

Yes but it shows that it's possible.

 

[shadowslice e]

Anyone come up with any good tips/drills for F3E in Yau?

What should I work on most?

F2C: 6/6
F3E: 14/20
L4C: 14/34
L8E: 16/50
3x3: 25/1:15

I'm guessing 3x3 cause it's all pretty much intuitive F2L and COLL/EPLL cause I don't even CFOP.

 

[Tanish]

4x4 help

so i recently got a 4x4 and i average 2:50 using the beginners method- first the centers, then one edge at a time, and then 3x3 stage
can u tell me how i should improve on 4x4
my edges take up a lot of time; and many a times when i reach the 3x3 stage the centers which earlier were opposite to each other, they become adjacent. so this also take up a lot of time
also can u tell me what exactly the reduction method is, and should i start doing freestyle edges

 

[shadowslice e]

so i recently got a 4x4 and i average 2:50 using the beginners method- first the centers, then one edge at a time, and then 3x3 stage
can u tell me how i should improve on 4x4
my edges take up a lot of time; and many a times when i reach the 3x3 stage the centers which earlier were opposite to each other, they become adjacent. so this also take up a lot of time
also can u tell me what exactly the reduction method is, and should i start doing freestyle edges

Reduction is any form of method which reduces a larger cube to working like a smaller one (such as a 4x4 or bigger to a 3x3).

On 4x4 the technique that most people use to pair edges is called 3-2-3 edge pairing although most start out with 6-2. If you search for that or freeslice edges(although this is normally bigger cubes) you'll be able to find some very good tutorials on YouTube about them.

 

[Tanish]

i searched up 3-2-3 and 6-2, but they are for yau
so should i start learning an advanced method or for some time just continue with the reduction and practice to get sub 2 minutes

 

[shadowslice e]

i searched up 3-2-3 and 6-2, but they are for yau
so should i start learning an advanced method or for some time just continue with the reduction and practice to get sub 2 minutes

The principles of 3-2-3 or 6-2 can be extended to any style of reduction (ie multiple edges can be paired with one slice). So you can just try "domino paring" which is essentially the above being extended.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to look at some more "advanced" methods just to get a feel for what there is.

 

[Aaron Lau]

i searched up 3-2-3 and 6-2, but they are for yau
so should i start learning an advanced method or for some time just continue with the reduction and practice to get sub 2 minutes

what about 3-2-2-2-3

 

[BananaSlayer64]

Hi, I have a problem with 3-2-3 edge pairing.

When I'm doing the first 3, I slice, put in the first edge that will pair up with the other one I moved by slicing, but then I notice that the edge that I have to put in the next slot is in the one before, which is already occupied by the edge I moved when I sliced.
Can anyone help me with this or did I fail to explain myself?

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[shadowslice e]

Hi, I have a problem with 3-2-3 edge pairing.

When I'm doing the first 3, I slice, put in the first edge that will pair up with the other one I moved by slicing, but then I notice that the edge that I have to put in the next slot is in the one before, which is already occupied by the edge I moved when I sliced.
Can anyone help me with this or did I fail to explain myself?

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Its an annoying case. Just do a 2 pairing on both of the edges then slice and do the last 3as normal

 

[BananaSlayer64]

Its an annoying case. Just do a 2 pairing on both of the edges then slice and do the last 3as normal

Thanks, I figured it was one of the worst cases [emoji14]

 

[biscuit]

what about 3-2-2-2-3

That is 3-2-3. It just takes out some of the 2's so it's easier to say

 

[penguinz7]

That is 3-2-3. It just takes out some of the 2's so it's easier to say

No it's not, 3-2-2-2-3 is for redux, 3-2-3 is for yau.

 

[shadowslice e]

No it's not, 3-2-2-2-3 is for redux, 3-2-3 is for yau.

I think he means it's the same concept and style of pairing (at least I hope he does).

 

[puzzl3add1ct]

Does turning slow and looking ahead also apply to 4x4?

 

[Jbacboy]

Does turning slow and looking ahead also apply to 4x4?

Yes, it applies to most puzzles. However, look ahead is fairly easy for Yau, so it isn't as necessary IMO.