[Help Thread] OLL and PLL Discussion

[badmephisto]

I wouldn't bother with OLL now until you've learned PLL, which is more important. Besides, each PLL case (with the exception of a few) will occur more than each OLL case, so one PLL alg will be more useful than one OLL case. Macky's site gives the probability for each OLL/PLL case. But I would search around on many sites to get the actual algorithm you want to learn/use.

I was beaten to it long ago.
Edit: nm, badmephisto doesn't give OLL probability

thats because almost every single OLL except for like 3 or something have the exact same chance of occurrence.

 

[Ellis]

thats because almost every single OLL except for like 3 or something have the exact same chance of occurrence.

True, but it still gives a short list of ones that wouldn't be as useful to learn first. I thought it was like 5 or 6 but even if it were it's still not very many.

 

[blgentry]

Which PLLs to learn first? I agree with the others that the highest probability ones are a good idea. I did it rather unscientifically. I'd do some solves and note which perms I *thought* were coming up the most often. Then I'd go try a few algs for each of a few PLLs. Say 3 or 4 algs for a J perm, an R perm, and a T perm for example. Whichever one of those algs seemed the most natural and easy to learn, I picked, and drilled on it until I got it down. A few days (or maybe a week) later, I'd do the same thing, trying to find good (for me) algs for the next most frequently occurring PLL.

After a while, I had most of them memorized. I did Gs and Ns last, as they seemed the hardest. I'm not sure if that was a good thing or a bad thing, but I eventually learned all of those too.

Brian.

 

[abr71310]

Since you know 2-Look LL, I'd go for this for PLL progression:

T-perm
Y-perm
Both J-perms (one is really a mirror of the other)
V-perm
F-perm

You should already know the As, E, Us, H and Z perms, so this standard set should be pretty solid...

THEN go for G's, N's and R's to finish.

I haven't started OLL yet, besides the basic 7 and a few specials (maybe 9?), I still have a long way to go.

 

[soccerking813]

I learned the T-perm first, after 2-look PLL, because everyone always says how much they like it. It was pretty easy to leanr, and made me think it wasn't so hard. Now I only have the N's and V perm left, and I need to review 2 of the G's. But Should be able to do that in the next week.

 

[Lord Voldemort]

Jessica Fridrich's site has all the probabilities of OLLs.
Just remember that she counts mirrors as one case.

 

[mystera]

that's good. i am making a cool document on 2look oll and i think beginners can learn it because it has the arrows for like really beginners. but it helped me memorized 2 extra olls

 

[Lorn]

Should I learn F2L or OLL/PLL? (I can do 2look PLL/OLL already)

Hi
Currently, I solve my 3x3 with the beginners method and the 2look oll/pll and I'm averaging about 45-50 seconds.

My times are:

Cross: 8-10 seconds
First layer corners: 10-12 seconds
Second layer edges: 10-14 seconds
Last layer: 10-16 seconds


Now my question, should I learn the full oll/pll or should I learn the F2L?

~Lorn

EDIT:

I think, I'm going to learn first PLL then F2L and then OLL.

First PLL, because I already know 9 / 21 cases.

EDIT2:
First attempt with intuitive F2L and PLL: 41.13

 

[byu]

Learn full PLL

 

[Novriil]

Learn few F2L-s so you get at least sub-40. I learned half of F2L and then learned 2-look PLL and 2-look OLL. F2L-s are first three chapters (teh corner is in the right place) and other is just "sexy move" and then I can do them. I started to learn full PLL now (which is at the beginning).

 

[soccerking813]

I learned Fridrich F2L around that time. I would suggest you learn it now also.

 

[StachuK1992]

the 60k question... what to learn first? F2L, OLL, PLL or HTML??.... difficult choice..

getting serious, personally i started with intuitive F2L, then full PLL, then i learnt the 7 OLL of the cross, and now i'm starting to look into some "less intuitive" F2L cases to improve those.

haha...that's exactly where I'm at!

ontopic: Learn F2L(badmephisto's videos)

 

[Lofty]

Unless you plan on using Roux or CF or something then I think you should learn how to solve the F2L. But it looks like you can already do that.

 

[Lorn]

you should learn how to solve the F2L. But it looks like you can already do that.

How does it look like I can already do it?

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

I did Intuitive F2L and the PLLs at the same time. Worked fine for me

 

[blgentry]

You're probably going to get bigger improvements in your times by focusing on F2L until you "have it". Once you feel comfortable with F2L, memorizing the rest of the PLL algs will definitely shave some seconds off of your last layer.

I would *definitely* do F2L first.

Oh and PS: The other poster thinks you can already do F2L because in your original posting, you said your "first attempt with F2L and PLL" was around a 41 second solve.

Brian.

 

[daniel0731ex]

umm....im sub30 and im using LBL+2sOLL+2sPLL. don't want to use F2L

 

[Lofty]

you should learn how to solve the F2L. But it looks like you can already do that.

How does it look like I can already do it?

Because F2L is simply the first two layers. Therefore corners then edges solves the F2L. There are many different and fast ways to solve the F2L that are not Fridrich.
Basically I just want to say that once you can do LBL and want to move on Fridrich is not the only path to take. So I think the next step should be learn some different methods and find which one you like best.
I actually made my post about 2 minutes before his 41 second solve.

 

[tfkscores]

OLL PLL Help

Right now my best is 33 seconds with f2l and then the rest of the beginner method [dan browns]. I want to get faster but there are around 50 something oll's that i dont want to memorize. i could do pll though theres only 13 or something. would it be possible to finish the last layer without the colors right like you would with the beginner method execpt the color would be in the right place.. sorry if this confuses you it does for me to haha.

oh yea my average is around 50 seconds

 

[sooland]

you should just learn the basic Olls, like the cross situations. You can use the begginer method to get to the cross on oll. On pll, learn the algorithm that gets you to edge situations, and you can learn 3 algorithms to solve the cube. This is intermediate fridrich, and then from there you can slowly learn new algorithms for more common situations.