[Help Thread] OLL and PLL Discussion

[ruffleduck]

Thanks @CFOP INC for that. Maybe will come back to this thread after I improve my times a bit. (I don't time many of my solves)

Also zzoomer which RUD V Perm is that?

R' U R' U' R D' R' D R' U D' R2 U' R2 D R2 is my preferred.

 

[kubesolver]

Unfortunately i only have an old samsung, which records at a slow 30 FPS. However, I'll be sure to show the executions slowly and clearly so that you can easily follow.

By recording myself at high tps / high fps I've noticed that what I do is not exactly what I think I do. Mostly in regards to corner cutting.

With your tps you should participate in my comp, win it and get yourself high fps camera

 

[Deleted member 36445]

By recording myself at high tps / high fps I've noticed that what I do is not exactly what I think I do. Mostly in regards to corner cutting.

With your tps you should participate in my comp, win it and get yourself high fps camera

buy a xiaomi. i've bought a pocophone x3 pro from china. it was relatively cheap and it supports 960fps . it didn't arrive yet

 

[Deleted member 36445]

I'm working on a PLL video where I show all my PLL algs and executions. I will share once I'm done making it!

you should try pll attack

 

[ruffleduck]

 

[CubeGuyYT]

Full OLL vs full PLL first?

 

[xyzzy]

Full OLL vs full PLL first?

Order doesn't matter that much if you're going to learn both eventually.

IMO learn the T shape and P shape OLLs first (OLL 31, 32, 33, 43, 44, 45), just so you get a feel of what recognising OLL cases is like, then move on to PLL and finally the rest of OLL. Of course, you should feel free to learn any OLL case earlier if you keep noticing it in your solves.

 

[abunickabhi]

Full OLL vs full PLL first?

as xyzzy said the order does not matter.

I learnt OLLs and PLLs in random order, when I first learnt them a decade back.

 

[tsmosher]

Although order may not matter, PLL is a lot less algs/cases and-- generally speaking-- a more useful algset. I would learn PLL first as it is the quickest path to CFOP with 3LLL. Plus more time spent using PLL will just make your recogntion better and better over time. Luckily, these arguments are somewhat moot as you can learn both algsets simultaneously.

 

[CubeGuyYT]

ok...i use 4LLL and my PLL is slower than OLL since i use ortega algs for the corners and im used to them. thanks

 

[Deleted member 36445]

Full OLL vs full PLL first?

pll first
as mentioned before, it's less algs and you can benefit from knowing the whole set alongside 2 look oll, then work on your olls

 

[Sub1Hour]

The RUD V perm is very unappreciated.

R' U R' U' R D' R' D R' U D' R2 U' R2 D R2

The only problem is if your RUD sucks then the alg isn't going to be good, but instead of having a full rotation, it's just a slight regrip that's nearly instant. Move count is quite high but it's RUD spam so that isn't as big of a deal. I learned it like 20 minutes ago and its already as fast as my normal V perm on average

 

[DuckubingCuber347]

The RUD V perm is very unappreciated.

R' U R' U' R D' R' D R' U D' R2 U' R2 D R2

The only problem is if your RUD sucks then the alg isn't going to be good, but instead of having a full rotation, it's just a slight regrip that's nearly instant. Move count is quite high but it's RUD spam so that isn't as big of a deal. I learned it like 20 minutes ago and its already as fast as my normal V perm on average

I used to use the rotation V-perm but it felt so slow so I switched to that. I average the same time but it feels faster. I always thought that was the standard V-perm. Which is the standard?

 

[Sub1Hour]

I used to use the rotation V-perm but it felt so slow so I switched to that. I average the same time but it feels faster. I always thought that was the standard V-perm. Which is the standard?

R' U R' U' y R' F' R2 U' R' U R' F R F

 

[DuckubingCuber347]

R' U R' U' y R' F' R2 U' R' U R' F R F

Yep that's the one. I strongly dislike it.

 

[Sub1Hour]

Yep that's the one. I strongly dislike it.

Sometimes I even find the OH RUL alg faster than that one during big cube solves

L U2 L' U2 R' U L U' R U R' U L' U' R

I also like the OH alg since even if you don't mirror it its still good for lefty or righty solving (This one is flipped for righty though)

 

[xyzzy]

The RUD V perm is very unappreciated.

R' U R' U' R D' R' D R' U D' R2 U' R2 D R2

"Underappreciated" might be applicable two or three years ago, but a lot of fast people are using some RUD V perm now…

I'm still the fastest with the good old rotationful V perm, personally. This other sort-of-classic RUD V perm is cool too:
R U2 R' D R U' R U' R U R2 D R' U' R D2
(regripless starting from thumb on bottom)

And speaking of RUD algs for "bad" PLL cases, here's a rare RUD Na perm:
R U2 R' (U' D') R2 U R U' R2 D R' U R2 U2 R'
(also regripless starting from thumb on bottom)

 

[Deleted member 36445]

"Underappreciated" might be applicable two or three years ago, but a lot of fast people are using some RUD V perm now…

I'm still the fastest with the good old rotationful V perm, personally. This other sort-of-classic RUD V perm is cool too:
R U2 R' D R U' R U' R U R2 D R' U' R D2
(regripless starting from thumb on bottom)

And speaking of RUD algs for "bad" PLL cases, here's a rare RUD Na perm:
R U2 R' (U' D') R2 U R U' R2 D R' U R2 U2 R'
(also regripless starting from thumb on bottom)

or you could use opposite OLLCP and avoid v-perms whatsoever

 

[ruffleduck]

Yep that's the one. I strongly dislike it.

It makes up for the rotation with the low movecount. The V Perm WB is set with this alg, at an impressive 0.80 seconds

 

[OreKehStrah]

or you could use opposite OLLCP and avoid v-perms whatsoever

Not quite. Even with OLLCP you can still get them. OLS/OLL skip can still cause a Vperm. Side note, I choked what would’ve been a sub6 because of that lol