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R' U L' U2 (doublefick with right hand) R U' R' U2 R r would help!
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R' U L' U2 (doublefick with right hand) R U' R' U2 R r would help!
mark49152
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Nice... Unless you need to AUF at the end
kunparekh18
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If the bar is on front I just do Dw moves, other times I do y rotations, it's still pretty fast!
pipkiksass
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Beautiful! Thanks... Keep meaning to take you up on that race to sub 18 challenge, but I'm still floating about 19-20s averages. A good Ao50 will have a few 17-18 Ao5s, but maybe this will help me get more consistently sub-20.
Thanks to everyone else also for your suggestions, greatly appreciated. As with all algs, it's what works for you and this one works for me!
sub20cuber
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i just use the way shown in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axDgKd_L9DU
the time he shows it is 11.15
SenileGenXer
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On a megaminx I'm looking for shorter PLLs that permutes 4 or 5 corners preserving edge orientation and permutation but that don't care about corner orientation. I know the beginners one that permutes 3 corners and it's mirror. I'm looking for something like that for 4 or 5 corners.
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Thanks but those guys preserve corner orientation. I don't want or need that. I'm looking for something shorter that doesn't and would love to see a 5 corner one.
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From what I found when I checked there isn't anything "shorter" for the cases you ask for. Your gain is 1-2 moves at best, and those algs didn't look to good.
SenileGenXer
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The three cycles corners are 8 moves not preserving orientation -vs- 12 moves preserving. Edge cycles can be more pronounced. Almost every megaminx alg is just a lot nicer without corner orientation.
I'd expect the non-preserving algs might maintain that advantage/ratio although some 4 corner optimal algs (H-perms) get longer on the 3x3 if you introduce orientation issues while others like the E-perms get shorter.
Edit found one! Swaps 4 corners the same sort of way without preserving orientation.
F (R U R'U')3 F' 14 sexy moves instead of
R'U'R' D' RU'R' D RUR' D' RUR' D R2 17 ugly moves perserving orientation.
And another
L F (R U R' U')3 F' L'
instead of
[R'] R' D RU'R' D' RUR' D' RU'R' D RU
Even on move count for this second one - way up on the elegance and simplicity.
Still looking for others. They don't have to be built on the sexy move. I'm sure there might be even better than this I just don't know how to get them.
Edit: I haven't found the five cycles I think exist. Looking at the end of this page I suspect the O cycles might be optimal edge preserving (like an H-perm) and the Q cycles could be improved by ignoring corner orientation like an E-Perm.
Put together a nice guide with what I have found
I'd expect the non-preserving algs might maintain that advantage/ratio although some 4 corner optimal algs (H-perms) get longer on the 3x3 if you introduce orientation issues while others like the E-perms get shorter.
Edit found one! Swaps 4 corners the same sort of way without preserving orientation.
F (R U R'U')3 F' 14 sexy moves instead of
R'U'R' D' RU'R' D RUR' D' RUR' D R2 17 ugly moves perserving orientation.
And another
L F (R U R' U')3 F' L'
instead of
[R'] R' D RU'R' D' RUR' D' RU'R' D RU
Even on move count for this second one - way up on the elegance and simplicity.
Still looking for others. They don't have to be built on the sexy move. I'm sure there might be even better than this I just don't know how to get them.
Edit: I haven't found the five cycles I think exist. Looking at the end of this page I suspect the O cycles might be optimal edge preserving (like an H-perm) and the Q cycles could be improved by ignoring corner orientation like an E-Perm.
Put together a nice guide with what I have found
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Other than this alg U' L z' U2 L U L U2 L' U' L' U2 L' U L2 z L' U Lw' What are some good choices for a righted handed OH F-perm?
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Yay! Thank you!!
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Does anybody know of a good RUF L (Ja) perm for big cubes? The best I can find is F U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' F', and I can barely sub-1.5 it on 5x5.
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~Adam~
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I really like (y2) L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R
however I'm not very fast so feel free to ignore me.
Also 11 HTM compared to the 16 you posted.
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kunparekh18
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R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R L
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Thank you both, but I'm looking for a RUF one, that is one that only used R U and F moves, which is why mine is the only one I could find.
~Adam~
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Oh. This is where I went wrong. I would've been fine with either L or Ja.
Why you wana do so many moves for?
TDM
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Just generated these with cube explorer. I picked the ones with the fewest F moves from 15 moves or less and tried them to see which ones were good. None of them were, but these two aren't that bad.
[y] R2 U' R' F R U' R2 U R2 U R F' R
R' U R U' F' U R' U2 R U' R' U2 R U' F
Also, what V perms do people use? I'm currently using R' U R' U' R D' R' D R' y R2 U' R2' d R2, but the rotation and d move are slowing me down. I prefer RUF unless the alg flows really well.
[y] R2 U' R' F R U' R2 U R2 U R F' R
R' U R U' F' U R' U2 R U' R' U2 R U' F
Also, what V perms do people use? I'm currently using R' U R' U' R D' R' D R' y R2 U' R2' d R2, but the rotation and d move are slowing me down. I prefer RUF unless the alg flows really well.
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