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Yadhuraj

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I am starting to learn roux im already sub 30 at Cfop.
1. Which is the best tutorial to learn v roux?
2.How long it will take to learn roux??
3.How long for sub 20.If i did 100 solves per day??
4. Should i learn full CMLL to get to sub 20?
 

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1. Kian
2. Depends
3. Depends
4. Depends

But for real

It will take as long as it takes, it's gonna vary between people

People improve at different rates. FYI just doing solves is not the best way to improve

I mean full CMLL is faster than 2 look obviously. You absolutely don't need it for sub 20, although it can help. IMO getting better blocks is more important.
 

OreKehStrah

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I am starting to learn roux im already sub 30 at Cfop.
1. Which is the best tutorial to learn v roux?
2.How long it will take to learn roux??
3.How long for sub 20.If i did 100 solves per day??
4. Should i learn full CMLL to get to sub 20?
Again Kian Mansour makes the best Roux tutorials.
As for sub-20 that’s gonna be based on your block efficiency and being decent enough at CMLL and LSE.
Don’t worry about the quantity of solves. The biggest thing with Roux I’ve found is your block efficiency. You have to practice your blocks the most. You can have 2 tips and average sub 20 if you’re efficient.
As far as CMLL goes, Kian can sub 10 with 2 look CMLL so that just goes to show it’s not gonna be the big factor if you’re sub 20 or not. I would recommend learning the cases that are easy for recognize first as you go.
Go ahead and take the plunge into Eoux. I wish I had when I had started lol. But I’m learning ZBLL which is the main reason I’m not gonna switch.
 

OneCacoethes

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I am also sub 30 cfop looking to switch to roux. I was looking at the roux wiki page and it suggests that ignoring centers while solving blocks might be a good idea. Is this really practical? If it is a good idea, I want to learn it now as I am just starting, because it seems like it would be hard to switch to doing that once I am confident with roux.
The wiki page also talks solving two blocks that don't match. How much will being able to create non matching blocks help getting fast times? And would it be a good idea to just do two possibilities for the second block instead of four. It seems like that could make last layer recognition a lot easier.
 

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I am also sub 30 cfop looking to switch to roux. I was looking at the roux wiki page and it suggests that ignoring centers while solving blocks might be a good idea. Is this really practical? If it is a good idea, I want to learn it now as I am just starting, because it seems like it would be hard to switch to doing that once I am confident with roux.
The wiki page also talks solving two blocks that don't match. How much will being able to create non matching blocks help getting fast times? And would it be a good idea to just do two possibilities for the second block instead of four. It seems like that could make last layer recognition a lot easier.
Non matching centers for FB/SB is a great idea because it gives room to better FB's, which can easily be fixed by u M' u'/u' M' U etc. Still if you are sub 30 and from CFOP currently you should be focusing on general blockbuilding (I assume you mostly do F2L FB).

Tbh I guess no one uses non matching blocks, first because of horrible CMLL recog, second LSE execution is even harder, third it's easier do place a FR/BR edge as (pseudo) DR, solve the (real) DR+Corner and fix it with R/R' to get a SB Square.

But don't do too much fancy stuff in the beginning. Get used too the basics good and meanwhile experiment with fancy stuff a little bit.
 
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I am also sub 30 cfop looking to switch to roux. I was looking at the roux wiki page and it suggests that ignoring centers while solving blocks might be a good idea. Is this really practical? If it is a good idea, I want to learn it now as I am just starting, because it seems like it would be hard to switch to doing that once I am confident with roux.
The wiki page also talks solving two blocks that don't match. How much will being able to create non matching blocks help getting fast times? And would it be a good idea to just do two possibilities for the second block instead of four. It seems like that could make last layer recognition a lot easier.
If you are talking about the UDFB centers, you should definitely ignore those when solving your blocks. But, as the post above says, non-matching centers is a great technique. I personally use it a lot, and it has got me many a good time.

Solving non-matching blocks, however, is not very common, mainly because look ahead is much more difficult. I will try it every now and then if I see a really easy second block solution, but it usually isn't worth it.

BTW, I think the speed at which you average right now it the perfect time to try out Roux. Go for it! I never regretted it. I switched when I was averaging about 25, and after 2 months with Roux, I was back to my global average, and had gotten my first sub 15, a 12, with Roux. Even if you don't stick with it, the skills you learn are going to help you immensely with any method.
 

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I am also sub 30 cfop looking to switch to roux. I was looking at the roux wiki page and it suggests that ignoring centers while solving blocks might be a good idea. Is this really practical?
Non matching centres is a reasonably useful technique though I wouldn't suggest starting out with it as it is only better in a very small number of circumstances. It's actually reasonably easy to learn to do it.
The wiki page also talks solving two blocks that don't match. How much will being able to create non matching blocks help getting fast times? And would it be a good idea to just do two possibilities for the second block instead of four. It seems like that could make last layer recognition a lot easier.
Similar to the above, this can be useful but I wouldn't recommend starting out with it. There are a handful of reasonably fast rouxers (including myself and Ryan) who do use NMB reasonably regularly. However, even then it's used only once in maybe 25 solves and only if the second block is much easier.

Ergo, I would recommend just starting with normal blocks and learning the more complicated stuff later.
 

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Similar to the above, this can be useful but I wouldn't recommend starting out with it. There are a handful of reasonably fast rouxers (including myself and Ryan) who do use NMB reasonably regularly. However, even then it's used only once in maybe 25 solves and only if the second block is much easier.
i did not know that your are using Non Matching Blocks (and who is Ryan). How do you deal with the problems I mentioned above?( CMLL recog, could not find a guide anywhere.. or rather learning by doing? And what about LSE, I guess EOLR is not made for NMB - the only way I could imagine is using LMCF L6E step - what's your strat?)
 

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i did not know that your are using Non Matching Blocks (and who is Ryan).
I'll not mention his full name here but suffice to say he's a fairly fast (sub-10 2h/sub-15 oh) rouxer. He actually used it in an official solve at worlds.
How do you deal with the problems I mentioned above?( CMLL recog, could not find a guide anywhere.. or rather learning by doing?
A bit of both. I do a fair amount of experimenting and playing around with the method. NMB is probably only useful (and I only really implement it) at an R2 from solved. This makes recog easier (using normal cmll and some logic you can get it down to two cases and from there you need maybe one more sticker).
And what about LSE, I guess EOLR is not made for NMB - the only way I could imagine is using LMCF L6E step - what's your strat?)
EOLR works the same, you just use (say) UL and DR as opposed to UL and UR so LSE is done basically as normal but you finish with an R2 (or r2 or something if you're smart and cancel).

Like I said above though, I would focus on normal blockbuilding before experimenting with things like this as it's better to be able to blockbuild efficiently than be able to do all the tricks inefficiently.
 

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EOLR works the same, you just use (say) UL and DR as opposed to UL and UR so LSE is done basically as normal but you finish with an R2 (or r2 or something if you're smart and cancel).

Like I said above though, I would focus on normal blockbuilding before experimenting with things like this as it's better to be able to blockbuild efficiently than be able to do all the tricks inefficiently.
I'm sub 13 with roux currently. I learned LMCF before and only know this way off solving LSE. (I understand the normal LSE too and can solve it, but I use the 'L6E' part from LMCF in speed solves)

I guess this might make the NMB to LSE part easier since the L6E was designed to be easy with NMB, so I might take advantage from that.
 

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I have been trying to learn Roux. I've been looking for a speed solving method and divided on Roux. But I am finding it to tricky to learn. Is there any methods or tutorials that will be easy to understand and help me learn Roux?

Hi, I'm currently using the beginner method but I would really like to learn Roux. I get about 1 minute with my current method but want to get sub-30 before the year is over. Can I please have some tips on learning Roux and some good tutorials
All Help will be greatly appreciated
-Atomix creative cubing
 

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On youtube you will find a channel under the name "Kian Monsour", he's a very skilled roux user and has made a 4 part tutorial aimed towards beginners. i should note if you're coming from a layer by layer method roux may seem a little awkward at first but it shouldn't be too bad. Also, this sites wiki page has a lot of information that might be worth the read.
 
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Remember with roux, you should never do rotations which are z or y. x rotations are okay if both your blocks are 1 move away in the same direction.

Kian Mansour has good tutorials on all parts. Check him out, he is good. I even use kinda beginners F2B Block building if i want to achieve fast TPS.

Here are some tips to overcome some goals:
All skill levels
-Roux FMC for all steps.
Sub-40
-Have decent recognition and look ahead
-Use inspection to your advantage
-Plan out how to insert the DL edge and make a pair
Sub-30
-Try to have better TPS
-Try some more “loading spots” around the cube, even some corner loading spots.
-Practice some LSE Cases.
-Learn 2-Look CMLL
Sub-25
-Get faster TPS while having better look ahead.
-Learn EOLR.
-Learn some CMLL cases when you do your normal CMLL alg for orienting corners, it gives you a diagonal swap for permutation.
Sub-20
-Good look ahead and decent TPS.
-Learn SB Last Slot algs on Kian’s Website and practice them on FR and BR pairs.
Sub-15
-Learn Full CMLL and have good fingertricks.
-Have the Highest TPS you can have while having good look ahead.
Sub-10 and Beyond
-ask kian in the comments of his yt videos for some tips for sub-10 and beyond, he is quite active and mostly will respond to questions.

dee dub beginner roux tutorial.
That is kinda outdated (i think), Kian’s one is okay enough.
 
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