[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

[notme]

Oh great, And the Giiker cube program shows blue for front instead of green. Gahhh!
FTFY? What's that mean?

 

[notme]

Ok, didn't search, sorry 'bout that!
Matt11111 said: Ftfy=fixed it for yo

 

[Etotheipi]

I average around high 20s, and SB takes almost twice as long as FB, whats the best way to improve SB efficiency?

 

[Sue Doenim]

I average around high 20s, and SB takes almost twice as long as FB, whats the best way to improve SB efficiency?

My advice would be to check algsheets (I know that at least Kian has one specifically for SB), watch example solves, and do slow solves for practice. There's a block trainer for SB here that has full SB, square, and pair, to maybe check that out.

 

[narusite]

So, I've just done some solves with splits on cstimer, and I didn't think that I had that much of a problem with SB:

No.​	Time​	FB​	SB​	2-look CMLL​	LSE​
1​	35.59​	4.43​	15.59​	5.63​	9.92​
2​	45.38​	7.45​	17.17​	8.73​	12.01​
3​	48.70​	5.02​	18.95​	7.15​	17.56​
4​	36.95​	7.37​	14.35​	7.10​	8.12​
5​	46.05​	8.73​	19.59​	8.07​	9.65​
6​	32.66​	4.55​	6.49​	10.88​	10.72​
7​	32.25​	7.57​	9.06​	7.29​	8.31​
8​	36.48​	9.48​	12.26​	4.62​	10.11​
9​	40.08​	6.23​	12.62​	9.46​	11.75​
10​	37.44​	8.13​	12.52​	5.96​	10.81​
avg​	39.16​	6.90​	13.86​	7.49​	10.90​

I though that my 2look CMLL were slowing me, but from this session, it's clear that it can wait. (I know I'll have to improve my LSE too).

I think I'll have to solve SB in a more algorithmic way. I tend to "panic" once FB is done, and some time I don't even remember what RD should be… So I'll try to track RD more from now on.

The two sub-10 SB were when a pair was already made + RD was easily spotted -> 1st square was easy and I was more relaxed for the last pair.
I think I'll have to do more last pair of second block too. When I train, I usually can think of a short solution and can do it blindfolded. But during a solve, I don't think I am that efficient… Again, I have problem finding the pieces if they are not right in front of me.

So if you have any tips to share.

 

[ImmolatedMarmoset]

So, I've just done some solves with splits on cstimer, and I didn't think that I had that much of a problem with SB:

No.​	Time​	FB​	SB​	2-look CMLL​	LSE​
1​	35.59​	4.43​	15.59​	5.63​	9.92​
2​	45.38​	7.45​	17.17​	8.73​	12.01​
3​	48.70​	5.02​	18.95​	7.15​	17.56​
4​	36.95​	7.37​	14.35​	7.10​	8.12​
5​	46.05​	8.73​	19.59​	8.07​	9.65​
6​	32.66​	4.55​	6.49​	10.88​	10.72​
7​	32.25​	7.57​	9.06​	7.29​	8.31​
8​	36.48​	9.48​	12.26​	4.62​	10.11​
9​	40.08​	6.23​	12.62​	9.46​	11.75​
10​	37.44​	8.13​	12.52​	5.96​	10.81​
avg​	39.16​	6.90​	13.86​	7.49​	10.90​

I though that my 2look CMLL were slowing me, but from this session, it's clear that it can wait. (I know I'll have to improve my LSE too).


I think I'll have to solve SB in a more algorithmic way. I tend to "panic" once FB is done, and some time I don't even remember what RD should be… So I'll try to track RD more from now on.

The two sub-10 SB were when a pair was already made + RD was easily spotted -> 1st square was easy and I was more relaxed for the last pair.
I think I'll have to do more last pair of second block too. When I train, I usually can think of a short solution and can do it blindfolded. But during a solve, I don't think I am that efficient… Again, I have problem finding the pieces if they are not right in front of me.

So if you have any tips to share.

Why don’t you, instead of trying to track RD (I avg 16 and I don’t always do that) just, at the beginning of the solve make sure you know what edge you’re looking for so you can look for it without pausing to think about what you need to look for.

 

[ProStar]

So I've been learning about roux(I use CFOP currently), and I was wondering what should I do to improve? I assume it will have to do with First Two Blocks, as I'm basically just doing F2L, but I don't know what exactly I should be doing.

Also, I did a roux solve and after CMLL all I had to do was Bars(M2 U2 M2 U2) to solve it. Is there a name for skipping EO and L/R edges? and if so, how unlikely is it?

Thanks!

 

[ImmolatedMarmoset]

So I've been learning about roux(I use CFOP currently), and I was wondering what should I do to improve? I assume it will have to do with First Two Blocks, as I'm basically just doing F2L, but I don't know what exactly I should be doing.

Also, I did a roux solve and after CMLL all I had to do was Bars(M2 U2 M2 U2) to solve it. Is there a name for skipping EO and L/R edges? and if so, how unlikely is it?

Thanks!

yup! it’s called EOLR (figures) and people like Kian and Sean know it well. (algset) I don’t know what the probability was, but that’s pretty rare. probs one in like 200 or so

 

[Pyjam]

After F2B, you can influence EO during CMLL by knowing 2 algs per case in order to get 0 or 4 edges misoriented, and/or influence the position of the edges in order to get a better position after the "arrow" (that is called EOLR).

But if you're a beginner, this is really, really not your priority.

Your priority is to solve the FB at inspection and to forecast/force the position of the DR edge.
Also, you want to be x2/y neutral, for an easy FB.

 

[Sue Doenim]

Also, I did a roux solve and after CMLL all I had to do was Bars(M2 U2 M2 U2) to solve it. Is there a name for skipping EO and L/R edges? and if so, how unlikely is it?

Yeah, that would just be called an EOLR skip. There's a 1/960 or 0.104166666% chance, so it's not very common.

 

[ThatGuy]

So I've been learning about roux(I use CFOP currently), and I was wondering what should I do to improve? I assume it will have to do with First Two Blocks, as I'm basically just doing F2L, but I don't know what exactly I should be doing.

Also, I did a roux solve and after CMLL all I had to do was Bars(M2 U2 M2 U2) to solve it. Is there a name for skipping EO and L/R edges? and if so, how unlikely is it?

Thanks!

I also recently started seriously learning Roux and I found that watching example solves was helpful. As you've noted, it can be hard to break out of an F2L mindset, so it's important to see blockbuilding techniques.

 

[ari(a cuber)]

any tips for getting faster at roux? I currently average about 45 seconds. especially the second block

 

[Cubinwitdapizza]

For the second block, remember that you can use the M slice to pair edges with corners and instead of rotating to put a pair in, you can do Rw U Rw’ as an insert.

 

[ari(a cuber)]

thanks! that's really helpful!

 

[TheLegend12]

If you need help watch Jperm's video. Or Kian Mansour has some good videos on it as well.

 

[Exotic Butters]

1. F (R U R' U') (R U R' U') F'
2. R U2' R2' U' R2 U' R2' U2' R

Both solve the exact same CMLL/CP case.

 

[Pyjam]

Good question!
Note that there are also some good OLLCP for this case:
f (R U R' U') (R U R' U') f'
r' U r2 U' r2' U' r2 U r'
r U' r2' U r2 U r2' U' r

 

[ImmolatedMarmoset]

I use F (R U R’ U’) (R U R’ U’) F’

I find it to be much faster and easier to do.

 

[PugCuber]

Personally, I don’t use Roux, but F (Double Sexy) F’ just feels more fluid.

 

[AlphaCuber is awesome]

they are each quick and solve different eo cases so you could do each to preserve eo