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[Help Thread] Puzzle Setup / Tension Discussion

Athalon020

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Hello!

I have wanted to try 5x5 a while after having some fun with a budget 4x4, and when QiYi debuted the new MS Magnetic 5x5 I put in for a pre-order on it. I got it a little over a week ago and I've had a lot of fun with it, and so far I think it feels a little better than the YJ 4x4 I ordered earlier in the year. However, I keep running into a recurring problem where the cube seems to lose its tension after a day or so. The real problem is that I don't know if this is normal because neither of my YJ cubes have needed to be re-tensioned at all since I first got them so I only have those to compare against.

For some more detail on this, I'll provide what I think would be important but if I missed something please let me know. I've set the tension the same way I would set it on my 3x3: Pull apart on the center pieces so there's an even gap between the fixed center and the adjacent pieces. For this cube, I set it roughly at about a 2mm gap between the pieces when I first got it. As I started trying to solve it, I found that the gaps would start to grow and on some sides became uneven. I reset it twice in a week, assuming it was just normal break-in, but it's starting getting to where the pieces that aren't in the center "+", like the corners and the edge wings don't return to where they should be, with gaps appearing between them and adjacent pieces with just a light amount of pressure. Even when I cranked down on the tension screws, this still happens despite the pieces that form the "+" shape will not come apart.

The loss in tension has resulted in extremely easy overshoots on the outer layers, the inner layers turning without bringing the outer layers along (or the outer layer bringing the inner layer along in a few cases, which may be normal but I don't know), and the cube altogether just getting sloppy as if the magnets are gone completely. Before I started looking for a Speedsolving forum tonight, I was trying to solve it but kept running into the issue where the layers wouldn't align after turns and I'd have to set the cube down on a table to re-center everything.

Like I said, this is my first 5x5 so if this is part of the fun I don't necessarily mind having to pop the caps out and put a turn or so into the screws, but having never had any issues with other cubes I simply don't know if I've got a bit of a lemon. I still enjoy playing with it, so it hasn't hurt my opinion of it, but if there's any advice out there I'd really appreciate it.

Thank you and take care everyone!!
 

Owen Morrison

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Hello!

I have wanted to try 5x5 a while after having some fun with a budget 4x4, and when QiYi debuted the new MS Magnetic 5x5 I put in for a pre-order on it. I got it a little over a week ago and I've had a lot of fun with it, and so far I think it feels a little better than the YJ 4x4 I ordered earlier in the year. However, I keep running into a recurring problem where the cube seems to lose its tension after a day or so. The real problem is that I don't know if this is normal because neither of my YJ cubes have needed to be re-tensioned at all since I first got them so I only have those to compare against.

For some more detail on this, I'll provide what I think would be important but if I missed something please let me know. I've set the tension the same way I would set it on my 3x3: Pull apart on the center pieces so there's an even gap between the fixed center and the adjacent pieces. For this cube, I set it roughly at about a 2mm gap between the pieces when I first got it. As I started trying to solve it, I found that the gaps would start to grow and on some sides became uneven. I reset it twice in a week, assuming it was just normal break-in, but it's starting getting to where the pieces that aren't in the center "+", like the corners and the edge wings don't return to where they should be, with gaps appearing between them and adjacent pieces with just a light amount of pressure. Even when I cranked down on the tension screws, this still happens despite the pieces that form the "+" shape will not come apart.

The loss in tension has resulted in extremely easy overshoots on the outer layers, the inner layers turning without bringing the outer layers along (or the outer layer bringing the inner layer along in a few cases, which may be normal but I don't know), and the cube altogether just getting sloppy as if the magnets are gone completely. Before I started looking for a Speedsolving forum tonight, I was trying to solve it but kept running into the issue where the layers wouldn't align after turns and I'd have to set the cube down on a table to re-center everything.

Like I said, this is my first 5x5 so if this is part of the fun I don't necessarily mind having to pop the caps out and put a turn or so into the screws, but having never had any issues with other cubes I simply don't know if I've got a bit of a lemon. I still enjoy playing with it, so it hasn't hurt my opinion of it, but if there's any advice out there I'd really appreciate it.

Thank you and take care everyone!!
I don't think that is normal, the only one of my cubes that does that is one of my 3 Valk 3 M's (Valk 3 fanboy) so I just stopped using it.
 

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Hello!

I have wanted to try 5x5 a while after having some fun with a budget 4x4, and when QiYi debuted the new MS Magnetic 5x5 I put in for a pre-order on it. I got it a little over a week ago and I've had a lot of fun with it, and so far I think it feels a little better than the YJ 4x4 I ordered earlier in the year. However, I keep running into a recurring problem where the cube seems to lose its tension after a day or so. The real problem is that I don't know if this is normal because neither of my YJ cubes have needed to be re-tensioned at all since I first got them so I only have those to compare against.

For some more detail on this, I'll provide what I think would be important but if I missed something please let me know. I've set the tension the same way I would set it on my 3x3: Pull apart on the center pieces so there's an even gap between the fixed center and the adjacent pieces. For this cube, I set it roughly at about a 2mm gap between the pieces when I first got it. As I started trying to solve it, I found that the gaps would start to grow and on some sides became uneven. I reset it twice in a week, assuming it was just normal break-in, but it's starting getting to where the pieces that aren't in the center "+", like the corners and the edge wings don't return to where they should be, with gaps appearing between them and adjacent pieces with just a light amount of pressure. Even when I cranked down on the tension screws, this still happens despite the pieces that form the "+" shape will not come apart.

The loss in tension has resulted in extremely easy overshoots on the outer layers, the inner layers turning without bringing the outer layers along (or the outer layer bringing the inner layer along in a few cases, which may be normal but I don't know), and the cube altogether just getting sloppy as if the magnets are gone completely. Before I started looking for a Speedsolving forum tonight, I was trying to solve it but kept running into the issue where the layers wouldn't align after turns and I'd have to set the cube down on a table to re-center everything.

Like I said, this is my first 5x5 so if this is part of the fun I don't necessarily mind having to pop the caps out and put a turn or so into the screws, but having never had any issues with other cubes I simply don't know if I've got a bit of a lemon. I still enjoy playing with it, so it hasn't hurt my opinion of it, but if there's any advice out there I'd really appreciate it.

Thank you and take care everyone!!
I highly recommend contacting the cube store you got it from, they will either send you a new cube or refund you the money you paid (this is definitely not normal for any cube of any type).
 

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Prolly a stripped core, that's my guess. A new core should be able to fix it, however, it's going to take quite some time depending on how good you are with assembling 5x5s
 

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I have a Volt V1. The U/D layers are super duper sluggish and crappy, but the slice layer is fast as hell.
What can I do to fix this? I've cleaned it 2 times already, and I've put lots of fast lubes on the pieces, but nothing is working out.

(I am getting a YLM Sq1 soon, but I just wanted to know how I can fix this.)
 

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I have a Volt V1. The U/D layers are super duper sluggish and crappy, but the slice layer is fast as hell.
What can I do to fix this? I've cleaned it 2 times already, and I've put lots of fast lubes on the pieces, but nothing is working out.

(I am getting a YLM Sq1 soon, but I just wanted to know how I can fix this.)
Break it in, my YLM squan was the same ootb and it just went away with time (It returned after not having used it for a while and I fixed by doing the same thing)
 

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I have a Volt V1. The U/D layers are super duper sluggish and crappy, but the slice layer is fast as hell.
What can I do to fix this? I've cleaned it 2 times already, and I've put lots of fast lubes on the pieces, but nothing is working out.

(I am getting a YLM Sq1 soon, but I just wanted to know how I can fix this.)
Well, there is your problem. Even if the lubes are fast, if you put a lot it will slow down your cube. Clean it out all the way and only use very small amounts of something like speedy or silk, then it will become faster. My volt v1 is pretty dry aside from some lubicle 1 and its an acceptable speed.
 

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Well, there is your problem. Even if the lubes are fast, if you put a lot it will slow down your cube. Clean it out all the way and only use very small amounts of something like speedy or silk, then it will become faster. My volt v1 is pretty dry aside from some lubicle 1 and its an acceptable speed.
I don't use several lubes on my cubes, I was just saying that over the 2 cleanups I've put some sort of fast lube into the cube.

And... I don't have Silk or Speedy.
 

Zubin Park

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I don't use several lubes on my cubes, I was just saying that over the 2 cleanups I've put some sort of fast lube into the cube.

And... I don't have Silk or Speedy.
Personally, I use DNM as my "fast" lube, and it works fine. If you don't have certain lubes, thats ok. Fast lubes don't always make the cube as fast as you want it to, so give it some time. What lube are you using?
 

FinnTheCuber

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Is yoyo lube ok? I've been using a heavier one for the core and a really fast lube for the pieces. It makes my puzzles really fast.
 
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