[Help Thread] OLL and PLL Discussion

[Escher]

Hi, bour.
OLL stands for Orient Last Layer - making all the last layer correct face up (i.e all white, all yellow etc)
PLL stands for Permute Last Layer - once all the pieces are facing up, they are swapped around to finish the last layer.

it sounds like you are a newbie... so learn 4 look last layer (doing each step in two algorithms) from

http://ca.youtube.com/user/badmephisto

he has two seperate videos for 2 look OLL and 2 look PLL.
That will hopefully help you.

by the way, instead of putting 'Ri', put a lower case letter (r), or put Rw. those two are standard notation everyone knows, and its a little easier to understand. where did you learn your method from?

 

[Neutrals01]

Hi, bour.
OLL stands for Orient Last Layer - making all the last layer correct face up (i.e all white, all yellow etc)
PLL stands for Permute Last Layer - once all the pieces are facing up, they are swapped around to finish the last layer.

it sounds like you are a newbie... so learn 4 look last layer (doing each step in two algorithms) from

http://ca.youtube.com/user/badmephisto

he has two seperate videos for 2 look OLL and 2 look PLL.
That will hopefully help you.

by the way, instead of putting 'Ri', put a lower case letter (r), or put Rw. those two are standard notation everyone knows, and its a little easier to understand. where did you learn your method from?

I think his Ri (Right inverted) means R' and not r or Rw..

I think his method is from... http://www.rubiks.com/Academy/YouTube%20channel.aspx

 

[bour1992]

Sorry, I meant R' and not r.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Escher]

aah ok makes sense now... i thought those algs were a little strange but i didnt have a cube to hand.

 

[MistArts]

Hi, bour.
OLL stands for Orient Last Layer - making all the last layer correct face up (i.e all white, all yellow etc)
PLL stands for Permute Last Layer - once all the pieces are facing up, they are swapped around to finish the last layer.

it sounds like you are a newbie... so learn 4 look last layer (doing each step in two algorithms) from

http://ca.youtube.com/user/badmephisto

he has two seperate videos for 2 look OLL and 2 look PLL.
That will hopefully help you.

by the way, instead of putting 'Ri', put a lower case letter (r), or put Rw. those two are standard notation everyone knows, and its a little easier to understand. where did you learn your method from?

That's an x rotation..

 

[Escher]

dont you mean an L' and an x rotation?

 

[MTGjumper]

I think Japanese notation has "Rw" equivalent to "r", and "r" equivalent to "x(')" (I don't know which way they consider their rotations, hence the apostrophe in parantheses).

 

[Escher]

aah i see now thanks

 

[MistArts]

Japanese notation has rotations in parentheses. (r) = x (u)= y (f) = z

 

[ImNOTnoob]

Oh!
He uses the beginner method from the instruction sheet that comes with storeboughts bought from Singapore!
honestly, that method sucks.

 

[hawkmp4]

Since no one knows for sure what they're talking about with notation, how about a look at the wiki?
http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/Notation

 

[Escher]

Japanese notation has rotations in parentheses. (r) = x (u)= y (f) = z

i actually really really like that! i might start using it (for myself). its a bit quicker to intuit what each of the letter moves are, if you're not as instantly familiar with graphs as cubes.

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

Japanese notation has rotations in parentheses. (r) = x (u)= y (f) = z

i actually really really like that! i might start using it (for myself). its a bit quicker to intuit what each of the letter moves are, if you're not as instantly familiar with graphs as cubes.

I agree, but then what will you use for actual r, u, and f moves?

 

[Escher]

the brackets tell you that its a rotation, not a double layer turn

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

the brackets tell you that its a rotation, not a double layer turn

Aah, brackets. Clever

 

[primalpanic]

Sorry I haven't been around in a while guys - Busy time for me recently
And ... My type A got broke when I dropped it in the road and it got ran over by a huge 4x4 :'( That was a bit of a downer.
But... I found a PDF with all the algs I wanted actually made by BadMePhisto who has became my hero (If your reading this then you are a LEGEND!)

2-Look-OLL - http://badmephisto.dyndns.org/site/2LookPLL.pdf

2-Look-PLL - http://badmephisto.dyndns.org/site/2LookPLL.pdf

They are both set out REAL nice and all the triggers are highlighted in red or green. These are gonna become my companions for a while.

 

[spader]

Thanks for the pdf's as they are going to become my best friends for a while.

 

[bixarrio]

OLL and PLL practice shuffle algorithms

Hi,

I'm new to the whole speed solving thing, although I've been solving the 3x3x3 cube for several months now using the Petrus method. I have 2 decent cubes but they're not great for speed cubing. With my cubes, I have a rough average of 2 minutes per solve . Ridiculous, I know.

So, yesterday I learned the Fridrich F2L using badmephisto's youtube videos.

For comparison:
I did 10 F2Ls using Petrus:
avg. :109s
fastest : 85s
slowest : 128s

Then I did 10 F2Ls using Fridrich (The more advanced one, inserting pairs into the corners as opposed to corners and middle layer edges seperately):
avg. :143s
fastest : 83s
slowest : 226s

I then did another 70 Fridrich F2Ls
avg. :104s
fastest : 53s
slowest : 172s

I know it's not awe-inspiring times and I blame 3 things: The cube, my style of solving, and inexperience. I don't have any finger tricks down.

Sorry, I digress. I want to practice the 2-Look OLLs and PLLs. What I was wondering is if anyone have a list of "algorithms" that I can use to "shuffle" the cube to get a specific case OLL/PLL.

Thank you.

 

[GerrySly]

Go here, then look at the setup algorithm to get the OLL case setup, and then you can either use your algorithm so solve it or his (usually just the inverse of the setup).

PLL's are here

 

[ImNOTnoob]

There is a last layer trainer I use to train both my OLLs and PLLs at the same time. Link is http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/dl.html