Accomplishment Thread

[Sa967St]

4x4x4 PBs

number of times: 100/100
best time: 42.08
worst time: 1:11.14

best avg5: 49.80 (s = 1.83)
best avg12: 52.61 (s = 2.60)
best avg100: 55.44 (s = 3.65)

Spoiler: individual times

55.48, 1:08.44, 53.00, 1:08.12, 57.37, 53.64, 59.81, 1:09.31, 1:02.20, 56.58, 52.73, 52.00, 1:11.14, 56.27, 52.31, 55.26, 1:03.13, 55.95, 1:03.54, 57.14, 59.36, 53.41, 57.23, 59.97, 53.90, 59.81, 1:02.52, 53.18, 49.36, 54.21, 57.86, 55.86, 57.98, 59.61, 58.27, 54.14, 53.35, 56.53, 50.31, 59.26, 50.05, 53.30, 53.65, 54.58, 54.66, 54.71, 48.62, 51.91, 42.08, 55.76, 48.86, 56.76, 56.17, 1:01.61, 49.49, 51.38, 55.07, 54.66, 50.75, 47.53, 54.71, 49.66, 58.08, 1:01.40, 58.05, 48.78, 51.93, 54.71, 58.76, 1:02.95, 59.77, 52.71, 51.72, 58.83, 49.91, 1:03.31, 55.39, 59.69, 47.37, 56.89, 59.06, 54.57, 1:07.54, 53.65, 54.21, 56.80, 56.01, 54.61, 58.60, 54.40, 52.33, 55.22, 51.63, 51.27, 54.35, 44.54, 53.88, 54.34, 51.13, 50.30

 

[JianhanC]

4x4x4 PBs

number of times: 100/100
best time: 42.08
worst time: 1:11.14

best avg5: 49.80 (s = 1.83)
best avg12: 52.61 (s = 2.60)
best avg100: 55.44 (s = 3.65)

Spoiler: individual times

55.48, 1:08.44, 53.00, 1:08.12, 57.37, 53.64, 59.81, 1:09.31, 1:02.20, 56.58, 52.73, 52.00, 1:11.14, 56.27, 52.31, 55.26, 1:03.13, 55.95, 1:03.54, 57.14, 59.36, 53.41, 57.23, 59.97, 53.90, 59.81, 1:02.52, 53.18, 49.36, 54.21, 57.86, 55.86, 57.98, 59.61, 58.27, 54.14, 53.35, 56.53, 50.31, 59.26, 50.05, 53.30, 53.65, 54.58, 54.66, 54.71, 48.62, 51.91, 42.08, 55.76, 48.86, 56.76, 56.17, 1:01.61, 49.49, 51.38, 55.07, 54.66, 50.75, 47.53, 54.71, 49.66, 58.08, 1:01.40, 58.05, 48.78, 51.93, 54.71, 58.76, 1:02.95, 59.77, 52.71, 51.72, 58.83, 49.91, 1:03.31, 55.39, 59.69, 47.37, 56.89, 59.06, 54.57, 1:07.54, 53.65, 54.21, 56.80, 56.01, 54.61, 58.60, 54.40, 52.33, 55.22, 51.63, 51.27, 54.35, 44.54, 53.88, 54.34, 51.13, 50.30

So consistent. Yau or redux?

 

[Robert-Y]

That's quite a big improvement since TS2012 o_O

 

[mDiPalma]

petrus

best: 16.12
best avg5: 18.64
best avg12: 19.77
best avg50: 20.76

best: 12.00
best avg5: 16.25
best avg12: 18.36
best avg50: 19.56

i also got a 12.76 early on in the average

 

[frogmanson]

Justin Mallari's ZZ OH. I believe he is the first hybrid solver to sub 15 average in two different methods.

stats: (hide)
number of times: 22/22
best time: 11.216
worst time: 19.808

current avg5: 13.605 (σ = 1.20)
best avg5: 13.605 (σ = 1.20)

current avg12: 14.416 (σ = 1.54)
best avg12: 14.416 (σ = 1.54)

session avg: 15.123 (σ = 1.52)
session mean: 15.194

16.656, 16.144, 16.144, 14.320, 15.936, 11.216, 15.536, 18.543, 15.568, 19.808, 16.304, 13.009, 13.856, 13.776, 14.992, 13.903, 17.504, 14.960, 13.199, 12.480, 12.655, 17.760

Do you happen to know how he handles inspection? I learned ZZ OH a few days ago and am now averaging about 19 with it. Now I'm trying to determine the best way to begin the solve. For CFOP, I'm dual-colour neutral. As such, if I am to incorporate ZZ into my OH solves, then I'll have the opportunity to inspect for three different openings to a solve, but am unsure of how I would begin to solve. For instance, I have both an easy cross and an easy 4-bad edges case, or I have bad yellow and white crosses and a 10-bad edges case; how would he determine which method to use given with situations like those? I'm looking forward to Justin's insight!

 

[a small kitten]

He uses the same (strict) scheme as me (blue front and yellow top). He is also a dual-color neutral CFOP solver. He's not at a point where he readily decides which method to use. We have not worked out a "choosing what method to use" plan yet. I will talk to him later about it.

If I was to design a plan on the spot, I would operate under the assumption that if I think the EO line can be formed as fast as the cross, the ZZ solve would be slightly faster due to a cleaner LL. As a result, I would check my EO first. If that's too troubling, I would default to white cross and then to yellow if the situation requires it. Of course, if you are a hybrid solver, you can also do a ZZ-TOP solve (orienting f2l edges only with EO line) if it doesn't waste too much time and/or make you laugh while solving. The cool thing about knowing CFOP is OLL knowledge. There are some cases where I would seriously consider ZZ-TOP but can't do it because I'm not familiar with OLL.

If both beginnings look really bad, I will default to my dominant method (ZZ). I'm sure a CFOP user will go the other direction.

 

[porkynator]

For a short time, I used to be "method neutral" for 2H. I did 2 or 3 avg100 with it, the best was sub40.
I used ZZ with line on white or yellow, and full color neutral CFOP.
First I used to check EO: for very easy cases I did ZZ without checking for cross of any colour. If I saw an easy cross on some colour (different from white or yellow) I did it, with an easy cross on white or yellow I choose what I thougth easier between ZZ and CFOP (since easy cross probably means easy line).
I guess the solve were about 50-50 ZZ-CFOP.

 

[Julian]

Started using my OH cube for 2H. First, it was too fast and hard to handle, but after a day or so, I started seeing awesome improvement! After about 250 solves, this is where my PBs have settled.

Ao5: 10.33 -> 10.32
Ao12: 11.40 -> 10.77
Ao100: 12.3x -> 11.77



Also, my third non-handscramble sub-8:
7.81 D B2 R2 B2 D B2 D' L2 D F2 D L' U' B2 U' R' D R

x2 R U M2
U' L' U L R U R'
U L U2 L' U L U'
L2 U' L
U' R U R U R U' R' U' R'
U R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U

EDIT: 15.38 OH single

Spoiler

U2 F2 R' B2 L U2 F2 L2 D2 F2 L D F' L F U F2 D F2 R2

x2 z U' R x2 U R2 U
z U' R' U2 R2 U R'
U' z U' R U R' U R U'
R2 z' R' U2 R U' R' U R
U z U' R U R' U' R' U
z' U F R U R' U' R U R' U' F'
U' R2 U R U R' U' R' U' R' U R' U

 

[Alcuber]

3x3x5, first solves ever, figured out how to solve it using previous cuboid knowledge : P

Spoiler

Single
best: 1:27.19
worst: 3:20.38

Mean of 3
current: 2:17.71 (σ = 36.08)
best: 1:38.22 (σ = 4.32)

Avg of 5
current: 2:06.31 (σ = 23.91)
best: 1:33.33 (σ = 5.02)

Avg of 12
current: 1:54.21 (σ = 26.40)
best: 1:48.87 (σ = 18.42)

Average: 1:54.29 (σ = 25.05)
Mean: 1:58.82

Time List:
1:55.02, 1:54.18, 1:42.66, 1:34.03, 1:37.96, 3:20.38, 1:28.00, 1:27.19, 2:12.15, 1:40.02, 2:26.75, 1:37.97, 2:48.40

All PBs Of course, don't really know what went wrong with the 2min+ solves, but I think I forgot to fix the middle layer edges during the solve :fp

 

[AJ Blair]

Color-neutral ZZ Stuff:

number of times: 100/100
best time: 11.58
worst time: 19.68

current avg5: 15.10 (σ = 0.57)
best avg5: 14.69 (σ = 1.52)

current avg12: 16.44 (σ = 1.68)
best avg12: 14.95 (σ = 1.46)

current avg50: 16.37 (σ = 1.52)
best avg50: 16.37 (σ = 1.52)

current avg100: 16.47 (σ = 1.43)
best avg100: 16.47 (σ = 1.43)

session avg: 16.47 (σ = 1.43)
session mean: 16.41

Spoiler

15.45, 16.88, 18.60, 14.28, 17.94, 15.64, 16.03, 18.36, 18.41, 17.08, 14.84, 14.03, 16.73, 16.99, 17.69, 15.85, 14.40, 18.21, 14.77, 18.57, 17.38, 12.45, 14.68, 15.63, 15.79, 14.14, 17.95, 16.81, 18.74, 16.82, 15.77, 17.71, 11.85, 18.53, 17.99, 16.14, 14.68, 17.95, 15.45, 16.25, 18.83, 15.74, 16.34, 16.05, 16.93, 17.47, 16.57, 16.55, 19.41, 17.51, 16.58, 15.45, 18.23, 16.46, 18.94, 14.07, 15.63, 15.15, 16.37, 17.64, 16.05, 17.54, 18.33, 18.06, 16.02, 17.84, 16.38, 15.92, 18.44+, 19.64, 14.85, 16.86, 15.61, 15.60, 16.92, 13.59, 11.58, 16.31, 14.89, 16.14, 13.10, 18.96, 14.82[LL Skip (U AUF)], 12.51, 17.07, 19.68, 13.99, 17.56, 13.57, 18.04, 19.53, 17.46, 18.91, 16.90, 16.74, 14.98, 13.47, 15.72, 14.61, 17.46

 

[porkynator]

Color-neutral ZZ Stuff

Wait, do you mean full color neutral?

 

[qqwref]

4x4 OBLBL. I'm slow :|

best time: 48.31
best avg5: 55.17 (σ = 2.64)
best avg12: 57.99 (σ = 5.24)

Spoiler

1:06.06, 1:05.05, 56.77, 54.42, 1:07.89, 1:04.55, 52.12, 59.29, 48.31, 1:01.58, 59.35, 56.31, 1:14.38, 1:16.32, 53.90, 57.58, 1:04.73, 48.88, 55.57, 52.35, 1:12.79, 1:02.04, 50.68, 1:06.52, 59.83, 56.73, 1:01.91, 1:13.76, 53.28, 1:10.29, 1:22.94

 

[Robert-Y]

I actually think OBLBL could be better than Yau, because the edge pairing becomes a lot easier. Also after the 3x3x4 block + cross has been formed, we can almost completely ignore B and D. We (obviously) don't even need to look at BL or BR slots for F3L pieces since the BL and BR pairs have already been made and they occupy those positions

Edge pairing with Yau can go wrong and can ruin your flow sometimes. For example in Feliks' official 26.75 world record solve. This is probably the only thing which I dislike about Yau.

I think faster 4x4x4 cubers should try this method out.

 

[kinch2002]

Gave k4 another go tonight. The 46 was my first ever sub-50, so it was nice to go straight to sub-50 avg5 3 solves later My ELL times vary so much - it pretty much defines how good the whole solve will be.
46.10, (59.43), 45.96, (44.88), 55.64 = 49.23 avg5
52.65, 58.69, 50.30, 55.30, (1:06.04), 55.81, 46.10, 59.43, 45.96, (44.88), 55.64, 57.60 = 53.75 avg12

Sorry MLSTRM but looks like it's your move

 

[AJ Blair]

Wait, do you mean full color neutral?

Yes, I am 100% color neutral for everything.

 

[Robert-Y]

What's everything?

 

[AJ Blair]

What's everything?

Everything ever.

I just have never understood the concept of not being color neutral. I started out cubing 4 years ago as color neutral, so I've always learned new methods and even new puzzles as color neutral.

 

[Robert-Y]

Even methods like Roux and Yau? Do the order of edge/centre solving ever cause a problem? It was kinda difficult for me with Roux at first but even harder with Yau because of the absence of fixed centres.

 

[porkynator]

Everything ever.

I just have never understood the concept of not being color neutral. I started out cubing 4 years ago as color neutral, so I've always learned new methods and even new puzzles as color neutral.

Yes but... for ZZ... that's AWESOME!

 

[AJ Blair]

Even methods like Roux and Yau? Do the order of edge/centre solving ever cause a problem? It was kinda difficult for me with Roux at first but even harder with Yau because of the absence of fixed centres.

Roux doesn't give me any issues, centers used to bug me a lot...due to my CFOP background I used to have to set up centers to match my first block before starting my second block, but I got over that pretty quickly.

Yau doesn't give me an issue either, when I first started doing 4x4 I used to do Red, then White, then Blue then go from there. But I started 4x4 less than a week after starting 3x3. So it was a while ago.

The first thing I made myself do before learning to solve the cube was learn opposite center colors, so not fixed centers were never an issue for me.