Bindedsa
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perhaps it's easy to find F2B edges? I can't image it takes more than 3/4 moves extra most of the time.
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perhaps it's easy to find F2B edges? I can't image it takes more than 3/4 moves extra most of the time.
Tao Yu
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Yes, this why I put two non middle layer pieces into the first layer in the first step.
I doubt that this is a faster way of doing F2B. I really just did it to prove that it was possible to get sub 10 with it. I feel like I'm probably one of the few people in the world who could get sub 10 with this method, because it requires you to be good at both F2L and LSE - most cubers would only be familiar with one or the other.
Edit: I'd like to see some fast CFOPers try and solve F2B using this method, and see if they can get anywhere close to Alex Lau's F2B times (I doubt it, but as I have said, it's a pretty fun method to play around with anyway).
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it's basically just f2l. i think with little practice, most cfoppers can get this equal or slightly faster than their regular f2l times.
Tao Yu
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You do get a lot of easy crosses and xcrosses. And you can look further into inspection. But yeah, it probably won't make for much of a difference.
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ryanj92
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Wojciech Knott got a 6.56 clock average with a counting 5.39 and 7.72... ><
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I think it would take a decent amount of practise - the possibility of an F2L edge being in the D layer would hinder lookahead quite a bit, I think...
Tao Yu
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I might not have clear enough in my description of the method, but I ensure that there are no F2L edges in the D layer while making the cross.
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Ok, that's a good enough reason for me
I would find it hard to put the pairs in the right slot when I don't have centres there unless I don't rotate - unless you solve the centres too, in which case you're basically doing CFCE?
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that's not what he means. i think what he is saying is place two opposite cross edges and put any bottom or top edge in any orientation into the remaining cross slots. then solve 4 f2l pairs.
Tao Yu
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TDM
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Yes, but when you solve the not-cross edges at the start, do you care about how the M slice is oriented, or not? I was assuming not, but I think you're solving it too...
Wilhelm
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Sub 2:40 Mo100 and 2:31 Avg5 on 6x6 ;D
cubizh
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17:44.85 4BLD first success. (Second full attempt)
Genius4Jesus
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6.14 3x3 single, PLL skip.
3rd best ever I think.
3rd best ever I think.
kcl
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lol on cam
Generated By csTimer on 2015-3-1
avg of 5: 7.12
Time List:
1. 7.63 R2 U2 B' D2 F U2 B U2 L2 B' D2 R' B' D R D U2 B F2 L2
2. (5.15) L R2 B R2 F L2 B U2 B2 R' U' L' R U' B' F' D U'
3. (8.42) B2 R2 B D2 L2 F2 D2 F2 D2 R2 B' L U2 B D R D2 L' F D' U
4. 7.94 R2 D R2 B2 R2 B2 U' B2 R2 D' L2 B' D2 F' U R D2 B F L U2
5. 5.79 D U B2 F2 U' B2 D' L2 U2 L2 B R2 D' L F2 R' D2 L2 B
7.94 could be easily faster, I started doing a J perm from the wrong angle
Generated By csTimer on 2015-3-1
avg of 5: 7.12
Time List:
1. 7.63 R2 U2 B' D2 F U2 B U2 L2 B' D2 R' B' D R D U2 B F2 L2
2. (5.15) L R2 B R2 F L2 B U2 B2 R' U' L' R U' B' F' D U'
3. (8.42) B2 R2 B D2 L2 F2 D2 F2 D2 R2 B' L U2 B D R D2 L' F D' U
4. 7.94 R2 D R2 B2 R2 B2 U' B2 R2 D' L2 B' D2 F' U R D2 B F L U2
5. 5.79 D U B2 F2 U' B2 D' L2 U2 L2 B R2 D' L F2 R' D2 L2 B
7.94 could be easily faster, I started doing a J perm from the wrong angle
JemFish
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lol on cam
Generated By csTimer on 2015-3-1
avg of 5: 7.12
Time List:
1. 7.63 R2 U2 B' D2 F U2 B U2 L2 B' D2 R' B' D R D U2 B F2 L2
2. (5.15) L R2 B R2 F L2 B U2 B2 R' U' L' R U' B' F' D U'
3. (8.42) B2 R2 B D2 L2 F2 D2 F2 D2 R2 B' L U2 B D R D2 L' F D' U
4. 7.94 R2 D R2 B2 R2 B2 U' B2 R2 D' L2 B' D2 F' U R D2 B F L U2
5. 5.79 D U B2 F2 U' B2 D' L2 U2 L2 B R2 D' L F2 R' D2 L2 B
7.94 could be easily faster, I started doing a J perm from the wrong angle
Sweet. Nice how you got a counting sub-6.
Tao Yu
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I solve the centres as well because as you said, not having them solved would make recognition harder. I haven't really tried it though. I suppose it would be faster.
I don't think solving the centres would make it CFCE, because you're not solving the DF and DB edges until the end. CFCE does not have a LSE step.
TDM
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I know it doesn't make it CFCE, but it's very similar, and I think that if you're going to 'solve' the two edges in the D layer then it's not much different to just solve a cross and do CFCE; it's probably the same speed, if not a bit faster.
What do you call your new method? It seems like a hybrid of pretty much everything. Also, I think it needs a video
Bindedsa
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