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[Help Thread] Puzzle Setup / Tension Discussion

kevasian

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I have a gan air on yellow ges nuts and i fixed the tensions so that all are the same but when i turn the blue side seems to be alot slower than all the other sides. When i loosened it the cube loosened but the turning was still slower than all the other tighter sides and i dont know what is going on can someone help thanks
 

Duncan Bannon

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Is it slow when solved or even when scrambled. If its the latter, it might be because that core was lubed with more of a thinker lube than the rest. Probably not the case. But it might be the case.
 

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I got a Wuque Mini, and as soon as I could I spring compressed it, added silk and DNM, and it was great. However, I've noticed that the outer layers were too slow for my liking (even with the spring compression) and they eat up dnm like no ones business, so I decided to disassemble the puzzle, wipe out the stock lube, compress the springs a tad bit more, assemble it, and re-lube it with silk.

However, I cannot for the life of me get even tensions properly. I do a 360 degree screw turn on each side, and try to pry apart the layers afterward to make sure it is the same. But I do it on four sides and the last 2 become very tight. Long story short, I cant tell which sides are right and which sides are too loose because the cube is trying to pull pranks on me or something and its driving me nuts.

Is there anything I did that drove my cube to insanity? For reference, The springs went from 13.5-14mm to 12.5-13mm to 12-12.5mm. I need help because I love 4x4 and I love this cube but Im genuinely scared that it might not be the compression and that I messed up the screws or something

EDIT - I probably overcompressed the springs. When I checked them yesterday they were all 11.5-12mm, so I extended them all to exactly 13mm and now outers are too slow but the tensions arent wonky anymore. Today or tomorrow I will put them at 12.5 and i think thats the sweet spot for the mini wuque.
 
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cubeshepherd

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I am not sure where to ask this question (hence it being here): But what are the differences in the springs for the Gan 354 M? I just got one and liking it a bunch (although still getting used to it) and I was curious what the spring difference is and how much it makes a difference.

Also, I think someone has asked this question before but I could not find where. Thanks in advance for your help.
 

Ayden

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I probably sound really dumb right now, but I can NOT find anything that says how much to tension a 5x5. I really wanna know, because I am kinda new to cubing. I want a “chart” in a way, that shows how many screwdriver rotations for super loose, loose, medium, tight, super tight. I don’t know if this helps, or not, but I have an MF5. By the way, when I say, “screwdriver rotations, I mean this: a full 360 degree turn of the handle.

 

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So all cubes come with different tensions so I don't know about the screwdriver thing. But I think you can do it by how far you can pull the corners. When you flex thecube you should be able to see the corner stalk and maybe the top of the foot
 

Ayden

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So all cubes come with different tensions so I don't know about the screwdriver thing. But I think you can do it by how far you can pull the corners. When you flex thecube you should be able to see the corner stalk and maybe the top of the foot
I don’t really know what you mean by “corner stalk” and “top of the foot”
 
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My thunderclap 4x4 M is very slow for both inner and outer layers. I have lubed it already, but I have used slightly stronger magnets in the inner layer, making it even slower than ootb. Does spring compression help?
 

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My thunderclap 4x4 M is very slow for both inner and outer layers. I have lubed it already, but I have used slightly stronger magnets in the inner layer, making it even slower than ootb. Does spring compression help?
It should help, yes. My mini Wuque was extremely sluggish ootb and nothing I did with lube or tensions helped. I then did the spring compression which made the cube clickier and faster whilst still being stable.
 

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So I got my first 4x4 earlier today, a qiyi qi something. It's really tight, but when I loosened it it feels like it's about to pop. Any suggestions for setup/lubing/tensions?
I like my cubes fast, and loose. U2 in one flick loose/fast. Please help!
 
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So I got my first 4x4 earlier today, a qiyi qi something. It's really tight, but when I loosened it it feels like it's about to pop. Any suggestions for setup/lubing/tensions?
I like my cubes fast, and loose. U2 in one flick loose/fast. Please help!
I have got the same issue as you. It is very sluggish, and after loosening the tensions, it just pop in every solve.
 

Iwannaganx

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I have got the same issue as you. It is very sluggish, and after loosening the tensions, it just pop in every solve.
And very bumpy and loud... :(
Edit: after a few hours of continuous but fairly chill use, only about 7-8 actually solves, mostly just mucking around, the lube that I put on has ALREADY worn off. Terrible.
 
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My thunderclap 4x4 M is very slow for both inner and outer layers. I have lubed it already, but I have used slightly stronger magnets in the inner layer, making it even slower than ootb. Does spring compression help?
My thunderclap is also the exact same, for me i have to really aggressively turn and do about 30 solves before it starts to feel real good, and then the next day it goes back to being a terrible thing to turn. That bein said, i never set it up or cleaned it or did anything to the puzzle after i bought it. Maybe its due to the small size. Not really sure about spring compression for the thunderclap springs because i tried to compress it and it doesn't really go down much further, i only managed to compress mine by 1mm. You could cut the springs off or do a spring swap. OR maybe get a better 4x4 :/
 
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It should help, yes. My mini Wuque was extremely sluggish ootb and nothing I did with lube or tensions helped. I then did the spring compression which made the cube clickier and faster whilst still being stable.
My thunderclap is also the exact same, for me i have to really aggressively turn and do about 30 solves before it starts to feel real good, and then the next day it goes back to being a terrible thing to turn. That bein said, i never set it up or cleaned it or did anything to the puzzle after i bought it. Maybe its due to the small size. Not really sure about spring compression for the thunderclap springs because i tried to compress it and it doesn't really go down much further, i only managed to compress mine by 1mm. You could cut the springs off or do a spring swap. OR maybe get a better 4x4 :/
I have tried to compress the springs, but it seems to be impossible. Maybe I am not skillful enough to do the mod. I may think of getting another 4x4.
 
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