[Help Thread] OLL and PLL Discussion

[Rocky0701]

PLL by far. PLL will improve you a little bit more than OLL in my opinion, and it is MUCH easier to learn, PLLs are longer, but the last few moves are intuitive anyway, so they are really easy to learn, plus many of them are similar, such as T and Y. I would recommend that you get a little faster with F2L first before you learn PLL or OLL though.

 

[foltens]

I already know the 7 OLL cases sooo, another question, for F2L how can i become "faster", without all those algorithms?

 

[PJKCuber]

I already know the 7 OLL cases sooo, another question, for F2L how can i become "faster", without all those algorithms?

Go slow and Look ahead

 

[foltens]

Go slow and Look ahead

What I don't understand is how do people look ahead if their going so fast? Should i learn some just some f2l algorithms?

 

[PJKCuber]

What I don't understand is how do people look ahead if their going so fast? Should i learn some just some f2l algorithms?

They get better and better at it until they can look ahead at high turning speeds.

 

[foltens]

They get better and better at it until they can look ahead at high turning speeds.

So should i just practice look ahead, then move onto learning FPLL then on my way to learning FPLL then easy FOLL cases?

 

[PJKCuber]

So should i just practice look ahead, then move onto learning FPLL then on my way to learning FPLL then easy FOLL cases?

You don't really need look ahead or full OLL or PLL until you are stuck around 30 seconds. Just practice your F2L and you will be sub 32.

 

[foltens]

You don't really need look ahead or full OLL or PLL until you are stuck around 30 seconds. Just practice your F2L and you will be sub 32.

So, I should just practice F2L for now, as I'm stuck in the high 30's - high 40's

 

[CriticalCubing]

So, I should just practice F2L for now, as I'm stuck in the high 30's - high 40's

Practice F2L a lot. Use 2 look OLL and 2 look PLL and F2L to get to around 30 seconds. Look ahead is not required now. Once you are around 30 seconds, learn Full PLL and start looking ahead
You can watch this for some tips. Click Me!

 

[foltens]

Today, I've been practicing at school, and I've noticed I'm in the sub 40's so like 28 - 39 now
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[MennoniteCuber1]

Learn PLL. There are fewer algorithms and PLL speeds you up more than full OLL. Learn T permutation first. It's fast, easy to recognize, and many algorithms are based off it.

 

[Takezaki]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/131985555/4-Look-Last-Layer


The last case in Step 2 of the OLL

Algorithm as follows :

R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R'

I may be retarded but everytime I try this alg I get one corner piece that is not correct (white on top instead of yellow)

Tried again a few times, double checking everything. Algorithm must be wrong.

 

[Brest]

It sounds like you are doing the D moves in the wrong direction.

Here is an animation of the alg: R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R'

 

[Takezaki]

Pretty sure I am not. All the other cases are fine and I did this one about ten times making sure I was doing everything correctly. Unless someone can confirm that the algorithm is correct I'll have to say there's a move that's wrong somewhere. I just checked the animation.. How is that D not counterclockwise? My brain is fried.

So a U move and a D move basically go in opposite direction? How does that make sense.

 

[Brest]

Pretty sure I am not. All the other cases are fine and I did this one about ten times making sure I was doing everything correctly. Unless someone can confirm that the algorithm is correct I'll have to say there's a move that's wrong somewhere.

The algorithm is correct. I provided a link to an animation so you can see how it works.

Here is an animation of the alg: R2 D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R'

 

[Takezaki]

The algorithm is correct. I provided a link to an animation so you can see how it works.

Yes I just figured it out. I still think the annotation is retarded if you're going to do moves like if the down side was on top. It's misleading. You're basically always doing these moves while D is at the bottom anyway.

 

[guysensei1]

Yes I just figured it out. I still think the annotation is retarded if you're going to do moves like if the down side was on top. It's misleading. You're basically always doing these moves while D is at the bottom anyway.

That's just how things are. Deal with it I guess.

 

[obelisk477]

Yes I just figured it out. I still think the annotation is retarded if you're going to do moves like if the down side was on top. It's misleading. You're basically always doing these moves while D is at the bottom anyway.

B, D and L are all "opposite" in terms of notation of F, U, and R respectively. So R = L' , U = D' etc. It's standard notation though, and once you get used to it you won't think twice about it. Their directionality are based on if you're looking at the stickered part of the face. So looking at D from above and doing a D move looks counterclockwise (looking down at the cube with U facing up) and so you would think it should be notated D'. But if you were to look at the stickers themselves while executing the D move, you would see that they indeed rotate clockwise.

 

[Takezaki]

B, D and L are all "opposite" in terms of notation of F, U, and R respectively. So R = L' , U = D' etc. It's standard notation though, and once you get used to it you won't think twice about it. Their directionality are based on if you're looking at the stickered part of the face. So looking at D from above and doing a D move looks counterclockwise (looking down at the cube with U facing up) and so you would think it should be notated D'. But if you were to look at the stickers themselves while executing the D move, you would see that they indeed rotate clockwise.

woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.. I've been learning all this **** incorrectly since the beginning. That is retarded.

 

[TDM]

woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.. I've been learning all this **** incorrectly since the beginning. That is retarded.

No, it isn't. U is clockwise and U' is anticlockwise, and D is clockwise and D' is anticlockwise. Is it really that hard to understand?