Odd WCA stats/ Stats request Thread

out of all the people who have competed in 3BLD, feet, AND 4x4, how many have their fastest time in 3BLD (that is, their 3BLD time is less than their feet time and is less than their 4x4 time), how many have their fastest time in feet, and how many have their fastest time in 4x4?
 
PeteyKaralis said:
I bet more people worldwide enjoy magic over pyraminx!
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Judging by the 2012 participants...

Code: 
4561	Rubik's Cube
2899	2x2 Cube
2158	4x4 Cube
2051	Rubik's Cube: One-handed
[COLOR="#FF0000"]1440	Pyraminx
1373	Rubik's Magic[/COLOR]
1363	5x5 Cube
 845	Rubik's Cube: Blindfolded
 731	Master Magic
 636	Megaminx
 534	Rubik's Cube: Fewest moves
 498	6x6 Cube
 434	Square-1
 425	Rubik's Clock
 400	7x7 Cube
 279	Rubik's Cube: Multiple Blindfolded
 196	Rubik's Cube: With feet
 109	4x4 Cube: Blindfolded
  50	5x5 Cube: Blindfolded

SELECT count(distinct personId) participants, Events.name
FROM Results, Competitions, Events
WHERE Competitions.id=competitionId AND year=2012 AND Events.id=eventId
GROUP BY eventId
ORDER BY participants desc

And it's not because magic was offered less often:

Code: 
154	Rubik's Cube
145	2x2 Cube
142	4x4 Cube
139	Rubik's Cube: One-handed
126	Rubik's Cube: Blindfolded
122	5x5 Cube
[COLOR="#FF0000"]116	Rubik's Magic
115	Pyraminx[/COLOR]
 96	Master Magic
 72	Square-1
 70	Megaminx
 60	6x6 Cube
 59	Rubik's Clock
 54	Rubik's Cube: Multiple Blindfolded
 53	Rubik's Cube: Fewest moves
 49	7x7 Cube
 40	Rubik's Cube: With feet
 34	4x4 Cube: Blindfolded
 22	5x5 Cube: Blindfolded

SELECT count(distinct competitionId) competitions, Events.name
FROM Results, Competitions, Events
WHERE Competitions.id=competitionId AND year=2012 AND Events.id=eventId
GROUP BY eventId
ORDER BY competitions desc
 
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I cant argue with stats, but I wasn't only talking about in Competition. For example, because magic is easy to learn, i sold the majority of my magic stock to people at school, who can't be bothered cubing, and didn't even know about competitions. My point is that in general, an average person would rather play with a magic, than a pyraminx. Magic allows people that can't solve Rubik's cubes to enjoy being fast at an event, without having to learn algorithms. This is what makes magic so great. If it wasn't for magic, neither me, or my cuber friends would not have entered their first competition.
 
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PeteyKaralis said:
I cant argue with stats, but I wasn't only talking about in Competition. For example, because magic is easy to learn, i sold the majority of my magic stock to people at school, who can't be bothered cubing, and didn't even know about competitions. My point is that in general, an average person would rather play with a magic, than a pyraminx. Magic allows people that can't solve Rubik's cubes to enjoy being fast at an event, without having to learn algorithms. This is what makes magic so great.
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I highlighted the meaningful part. The rest is speculation, opinion, wishful thinking, overgeneralization.

PeteyKaralis said:
If it wasn't for magic, neither me, or my cuber friends would not have entered their first competition.
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Multi-negations are confusing and I think "neither...or" is unusual, but I think you just said that you would have entered your first competition without magic.
 
PeteyKaralis said:
Magic allows people that can't solve Rubik's cubes to enjoy being fast at an event, without having to learn algorithms.
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And you don't realize that exactly this makes magic look so ridiculous as Speedcubing event?

PeteyKaralis said:
If it wasn't for magic, neither me, or my cuber friends would not have entered their first competition.
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And still you didn't do only magic in your first competition.

@Stefan: I would highly appreciate if you could post your statistics from the maildiscussion here as well.
 
Stefan said:
I highlighted the meaningful part. The rest is speculation, opinion, wishful thinking, overgeneralization.
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I really don't understand why you are proposing your points... How is selling 15 magics to people at school opinion or wishful thinking?! It is solid proof that magic can introduce an average person into the speedcubing world, without them needing to get serious. I don't understand why something as small as magic can create arguments. If you don't like it, don't compete in it... I just don't think it should be ruined for everyone else.

And also, I entered my first competition to see Feliks... I wasn't a speedcuber back then. I was only interested in seeing a master at work. Magic is what convinced me to learn Fridrich, and fly to Sydney to compete again.
 
PeteyKaralis said:
I really don't understand why you are proposing your points... How is selling 15 magics to people at school opinion or wishful thinking?! It is solid proof that magic can introduce an average person into the speedcubing world, without them needing to get serious. I don't understand why something as small as magic can create arguments. If you don't like it, don't compete in it... I just don't think it should be ruined for everyone else.

And also, I entered my first competition to see Feliks... I wasn't a speedcuber back then. I was only interested in seeing a master at work. Magic is what convinced me to learn Fridrich, and fly to Sydney to compete again.
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How many of those 15 are serious cubers now?
It's not that we don't like magics. They just don't fit with the rest of the puzzles and cause too much trouble with judging, making what would be a fast event into a time consuming and troublesome one, if you care to run it properly.
 
Sebastien said:
@Stefan: I would highly appreciate if you could post your statistics from the maildiscussion here as well.
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I guess you mean these:

> 1) The number of competitors that have competed only in Magic.

213 competitors:

Code: 
magic: 178
mmagic: 5
magic,mmagic: 30

SELECT eventIds, count(*) FROM
(SELECT personId, group_concat(distinct eventId ORDER BY eventId) eventIds
FROM Results
GROUP BY personId) tmp
WHERE eventIds in ('magic', 'mmagic', 'magic,mmagic')
GROUP BY eventIds

> 2) The number of competitors that in their first competition competed
> only in Magic, but who later competed in other events.

68 if I didn't make a mistake.
Code: 
who         firstComp     allComps
----------------------------------
2005BURT01  magic         333,magic,mmagic
2005BURT02  magic,mmagic  222,333,magic,mmagic
2005LICC01  magic         333,magic
2005STIL01  magic         clock,magic
2005WIZN01  magic         333,444,555,magic,pyram
2006OOMS01  magic         333,magic
2007GRAU01  magic         333,magic
2007NALA01  magic         222,333,444,magic,mmagic,pyram
2007NELS03  magic         333,magic,mmagic
2008GREW01  magic         magic,mmagic,pyram
2008LIJI03  magic,mmagic  222,333,magic,mmagic,sq1
2008VIGA01  magic         222,333,magic
2008WEIR01  magic         333,magic
2008WISN01  magic         222,333,clock,magic,mmagic,pyram
2009ARPO01  magic         222,333,333oh,magic,mmagic
2009CHAN04  magic         222,333bf,333fm,333oh,444,555,magic,mmagic,pyram,s...
2009CHEN48  magic         333,magic
2009CHRI01  magic         333,magic
2009FREN03  magic         magic,pyram
2009HARR01  magic         222,333,magic,mmagic
2009IOOS01  magic         333oh,clock,magic,mmagic
2009LIUY06  mmagic        222,333,333bf,333oh,444,555,magic,mmagic,pyram
2009LOGA01  magic         333,magic
2009MANZ02  magic         magic,pyram
2009MARI01  magic         222,333,clock,magic,mmagic,pyram
2009MENG02  magic         222,333,magic,mmagic
2009PADL01  magic,mmagic  222,333,333oh,444,555,clock,magic,mmagic,pyram,sq1
2009PERE02  magic         222,333,333oh,444,555,magic,pyram
2009PROF01  magic         333,magic
2009STAN01  magic         222,333,magic
2009SUNM02  magic,mmagic  333,magic,mmagic
2009THIE04  magic         444,magic
2009TING02  magic         222,333,magic
2009TOPK01  magic         333,magic
2009WANG04  magic         333,magic
2009WANG13  magic         222,333,333bf,333fm,333oh,444,555,666,777,clock,ma...
2009WOLF01  magic         222,333,magic,pyram
2009ZHAN48  magic,mmagic  333,magic,mmagic
2009ZHAO08  magic         333,magic
2010CHAN04  magic         222,333,333oh,magic
2010DAOH01  magic         222,333,333fm,333ft,333oh,444,555,666,clock,magic,...
2010FAIR01  magic         222,333,magic,mmagic,pyram
2010GARC05  magic,mmagic  333,clock,magic,mmagic
2010GUOA01  magic         222,333,magic,mmagic,pyram
2010LIZH02  magic,mmagic  222,333,333bf,333oh,444,555,magic,minx,mmagic,pyra...
2010MILB02  magic,mmagic  222,333,magic,mmagic
2010NGER01  magic         222,magic,mmagic
2010QUAT01  magic         222,333,magic,pyram,sq1
2010UGLO01  magic         222,333,magic,mmagic,pyram
2010URRE02  magic         333,magic
2010WENB01  magic         clock,magic,mmagic
2010ZHAN51  magic         333,magic
2011ARRO02  magic         222,333,333oh,magic,mmagic,pyram
2011BUTO01  magic         333,magic
2011CAIQ01  magic,mmagic  222,333,333oh,444,magic,mmagic
2011DONA03  magic         222,magic,pyram
2011DWYE01  magic         222,333,magic,mmagic
2011HANW01  magic         222,333,magic,mmagic
2011MOLI02  magic         222,333,clock,magic,mmagic,pyram
2011NAVE02  magic         333,magic,pyram
2011NURS02  magic,mmagic  222,333,clock,magic,mmagic
2011PRAM01  magic         222,magic
2011WOOW01  magic,mmagic  222,333,333fm,333ft,333oh,clock,magic,mmagic,pyram
2011YATS01  magic         222,333,333oh,444,555,666,magic,mmagic,pyram
2011ZAMZ02  magic         333,magic
2011ZHEN12  magic         222,333,333bf,333oh,444,555,777,magic,mmagic,pyram
2012HEMI01  mmagic        mmagic,pyram
2012ZHAN05  magic,mmagic  magic,mmagic,pyram
SELECT firstComp.personId, firstComp.eventIds, allComps.eventIds FROM

(SELECT * FROM
(SELECT Results.personId, group_concat(distinct eventId ORDER BY eventId) eventIds
FROM Results, Competitions, (SELECT personId, min(year*10000+month*100+day) firstDate FROM Results, Competitions WHERE Competitions.id=competitionId GROUP BY personId) tmp
WHERE Competitions.id=competitionId AND Results.personId=tmp.personId AND year*10000+month*100+day=firstDate
GROUP BY Results.personId) tmp2
WHERE eventIds in ('magic', 'mmagic', 'magic,mmagic')) firstComp,

(SELECT personId, group_concat(distinct eventId ORDER BY eventId) eventIds FROM Results GROUP BY personId) allComps

WHERE firstComp.personId = allComps.personId
AND firstComp.eventIds in ('magic', 'mmagic', 'magic,mmagic')
AND allComps.eventIds not in ('magic', 'mmagic', 'magic,mmagic')

LIMIT 999
 
I'm not actually sure why he mentioned Pyraminx (maybe how easy it is to learn a basic method?). It's a pretty deep puzzle and IMO pretty fun. I mentioned Clock because it's very simple (pretty much only one method, move order doesn't matter, no algs) and not at all well-known outside of cubing. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was only ever an event because it had the Rubik's name (much like Magic).
 
qqwref said:
I'm not actually sure why he mentioned Pyraminx (maybe how easy it is to learn a basic method?). It's a pretty deep puzzle and IMO pretty fun. I mentioned Clock because it's very simple (pretty much only one method, move order doesn't matter, no algs) and not at all well-known outside of cubing. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was only ever an event because it had the Rubik's name (much like Magic).
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Actually I've often found that people do know what a Rubik's clock is. Well, they don't know it by name, but then when they see it they remember the puzzle from the 80s. I'd say it's better know than a megaminx and a sq-1 by some distance.
 
kinch2002 said:
Actually I've often found that people do know what a Rubik's clock is. Well, they don't know it by name, but then when they see it they remember the puzzle from the 80s. I'd say it's better know than a megaminx and a sq-1 by some distance.
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That's because you're in the UK. Rubik's Clock was strangely popular in the UK, as opposed to anywhere else in the world. In the USA, it is almost completely unknown outside cubing circles. (That's why people who want to buy actual Rubik's Clocks - as opposed to Chinese knockoffs - have to go to the UK ebay site to find them - it's almost the only place in the world you can get them, but there's almost a limitless supply there.)

Of course, it's also true that megaminx and square-1 are almost completely unknown in the USA outside cubing circles, so it's not like it's less known - it's just not better known here. Pyraminx, on the other hand, was rather well-known in the USA in the 80s.
 
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