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qaz

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Oh dayum the last time I tried I got 1:30ish
Have you timed solves with jumbling too?

I've stuck to non-jumbling so far since there's no scrambler for it and it's waaay more confusing, but some people in this thread (from a few years ago) experimented with it, I'm not sure how fast they got though. This is also where I got the general method and some algs.

That is crazy. Brief description of method?

It's not very complicated tbh, basically a LBL approach:
- build a face on D (just 4 centers)
- form triads of a D-layer corner + its 2 other corresponding centers
then for last layer:
- CO - very easy, algs are 2.5 moves on average (can be done pretty much intuitively anyway)
- CP - 9 algs, average ~9 moves but are pretty easy to remember (whole step can just be done with j-perm too, which is just (UF UB) UL (UF UB))
- LL centers - done using 3 algs + setup moves

I can go more into depth if anyone's interested - I think qqwref's got even faster times using basically the same method as well.
 

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4:54.86, 5:01.94, 4:58.56, 5:05.15, 4:55.56, (4:54.84), 5:08.94, (5:32.19), 5:03.03, 4:55.90, 5:04.43, 5:11.09 = 5:01.95 7x7 avg12

Not PB, but very consistent for me. The last solve would've been sub 5 if I didn't get a pop during PLL
 

EMI

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Why don't you just film some solves? People will find it hard to believe these times if you don't at least upload a *decent* average. Like, 1.7 average of 12 should be easy for you.
 
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444 PBs:

Mo3: 54.43 = 58.38, 53.96, 50.95
Ao5: 56.49 = (50.95), 58.63, 58.67, (1:00.77), 52.17
Ao12: 58.03 = 58.38, 53.96, (50.95), 58.63, 58.67, 1:00.77, 52.17, 1:00.05, 1:02.97, (1:03.58), 57.62, 57.11

+ 2 session means of: 1:00.71(32), 1:00.09(37)

still not sub1.
 
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This seems sort of realistic, because look at this:
37. (0.715) * U F' U R U2 R2 U2 R2 U'
This can be solved in 5 moves:
U' (prepare green/yellow/red corner for insertion)
R U' (setup corner)
B (place green/white/orange corner in its spot)
R' (finish insertion of corner, LL skip)

However, what if all scrambles are similar?
43. 1.862 * U' F' U R' F2 U F U2 R' U2
After playing around, I couldn't find a really easy first layer solution, or an LL skip.

What I think makes these believable is the fact that the fast times have easy solutions, and the slower times don't.

Edit: The amount of LL skips might be suspiciously high, but there is a chance of it happening, and it isn't like 1 in 100,000,000,000,000 or something. The chance might be in the range of say, getting an LL skip at a competition. The odds of that are .03% in one round, .06% in two rounds, .10% in three rounds, and .13% in four rounds. Do we accuse people who get LL skips at competitions of cheating? I haven't worked it out, but getting several last layer skips on 2x2 (1/162, or about 0.6%, for each one) may be a comparable chance given 50 solves.
 
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Isaac Lai

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Even though there are many reasons to say that this is fake, I think I am willing to believe you. Two rounds of 2x2 three months ago is nothing to go by. After all, a 2.5x average is possible even for people who know full EG if the scrambles are bad.

On that note, do you know full EG?
 
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