Feliks Zemdegs :D

That kind of proves that CFOP is currently "the fastest method"...

But yeah I think Roux has even more potential because of its lower movecount... But both WRs are still currently set with CFOP
You're basically saying "One fast guy uses CFOP therefore CFOP is better", which means CF was the best method at the time of the 1982 WC, which it wasn't :p Also, Alex Lau has the UWR Ao100. Just because Faz has better official times than Roux users, it doesn't mean he uses a better method. Given the number of CFOP users compared to how few Roux users there are, I'd say on average Roux users are quicker.
 
You're basically saying "One fast guy uses CFOP therefore CFOP is better", which means CF was the best method at the time of the 1982 WC, which it wasn't :p Also, Alex Lau has the UWR Ao100. Just because Faz has better official times than Roux users, it doesn't mean he uses a better method. Given the number of CFOP users compared to how few Roux users there are, I'd say on average Roux users are quicker.

I am saying that fastest times ever recorded are done with CFOP which by one definition makes CFOP the fastest method right now.

Altough I understand very well that it is a more complicated thing than that. I'm not stupid actually you know :D

But you asked for evidence why CFOP would be fastest and I gave you something. I don't think anyone can accurately define the speed of a method.
 
PB single :D
7.53 D2 F R2 U2 L2 D2 B' F' U2 B F2 L' D' U R2 B' U2 R' B' U2

x2 z' Rw' U Rw F' // FB
R' U2 R' U R // RB square
M' U M U2 Rw U R' // RF pair
U2 L' U R U' L U R' // CMLL
U' M' U' M' // EO
U M2 U M2 U' // UL+UR
U2 M U2 M' // EP
37 STM; 4.91 tps
 
8.64 3x3 single

3rd sub-10, 2nd sub-9


Scramble: D2 R2 D' B2 F2 L2 U R2 B2 D' L2 R' F' D' F' L' D L' B F2 R

Had an xcross starting with x2 R' F' R y' U, and LL was F U R U' R' F'. Can't find my exact solution though...
 
But you asked for evidence why CFOP would be fastest and I gave you something. I don't think anyone can accurately define the speed of a method.
I get what you're saying, I just don't think methods get better over time; it's the people that do. The fastest method now is the same as the fastest method 10 years ago, we just don't know what that method is (if you get what I mean [emoji14])
Also, imo, proof is a different thing to evidence!
 
9.56 F2 R2 D' B2 U2 D F2 D' L D L' F' D' U' R' U' F R' B R2 U2 L F2 D U2

Missed breaking PB by .1. My cross solution set up the first pair really nicely, but I somehow didn't see a 3 move second F2L pair, and I know all but 6 of the OLLs with at least two edges oriented, but I got one I didn't know this time. The solve could've been much better.

Didn't get the single today, but I did get a 11.65 AO5 and 12.92 AO12, both of which are PBs. The AO12 might have been faster if my family hadn't gotten home right during the 5th solve of the AO5, and started talking to me and asking me to quit cubing. :/ I was really, really in the zone, and I got nervous and started making mistakes after the 11th solve in the AO12. I could have rolled the first six solves of it.

(9.56), 14.69, 13.56, 13.44, 13.17, 15.37, 11.34, 10.42, 11.80, 14.97, 11.80, 13.98.


I also got a PB single (3:35.71) and MO3 (3:51.84) on 7x7, as well as rolling my AO100 to 4:10.80.

3:56.55, 3:35.71, 4:03.28.
 
You changed your profile pic for the first time I can remember. :O I will have trouble getting used to this. The same thing happened when Stefan changed his avatar... I did a double take every time I read one of his posts. :P

Thats because I sold that blue cube lol :P

EDIT:
OH Average of 5: 17.34
1. 16.09 R' B2 R F2 D2 F2 L2 F2 R U2 L2 D' B2 R2 B F' L' B R2 F'
2. 19.63 U' B2 U' L2 F2 L2 D' L2 R2 D2 L2 R' U B R' F' U R' U2 L' F2
3. (14.78) F2 D' B2 R2 B2 F2 D R2 D' R2 D2 F' R2 B2 R D' B' D' B2 L2 R
4. (22.76) U2 R B2 D2 L R F2 L' D2 U2 F2 U F D' L B' R B2 L F L'
5. 16.30 D2 R2 B2 F2 D L2 U' L2 F2 D L2 F' R' D L' R F L2 R2 F' U'

Done on someone else's white aolong V2 lol
 
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Best average of 12: 13.28
7-18 - 12.41 13.10 (11.72) 13.70 13.49 12.48 12.88 13.86 12.97 (15.02) 14.19 13.74

7. 12.41 D' L2 U B2 L2 U2 F2 R2 D F2 L' D2 U' L' F D' B' D2 L F' U'
8. 13.10 U2 L2 F2 R2 U F2 R2 U R2 D2 B' F U' R L B U B2 L
9. 11.72 F2 U' F2 D' L2 F2 D' F2 U' L2 D2 R' F L B' L2 U R U B L2 U'
10. 13.70 L2 F2 D' F2 U' L2 F2 R2 F2 U' B R F' U B2 D2 R2 B2 U2 L'
11. 13.49 L2 D B2 L2 U' B2 F2 R2 U' B2 D F' L' B' U' F' U2 F2 L' B F D'
12. 12.48 U R2 L2 U2 R2 D F2 D L2 U R2 B L' B D' U B F' U' F D U'
13. 12.88 U B2 U2 R2 U' R2 B2 L2 D F2 D R F' U' R U' R' B L F2 L
14. 13.86 U L2 U2 R2 U R2 F2 U R2 B2 D' F' B2 D2 R B' D' U2 F U' L U
15. 12.97 U L2 B2 D2 B2 D R2 F2 U' B2 L D2 U R2 L2 F R L' B D
16. 15.02 U2 R2 F2 D B2 L2 U F2 R2 D U' R' U B F' D' R' L' B F2 L'
17. 14.19 F2 U B2 D' B2 F2 U F2 L2 F2 D' B' U F2 L B F U B' D B2 L2
18. 13.74 U' F2 D B2 F2 D2 L2 U' R2 L2 U' B' R' L U L D' R2 U' F2 L

Roux PB. I think all were 1-look CMLL.
 
Best average of 12: 13.28
7-18 - 12.41 13.10 (11.72) 13.70 13.49 12.48 12.88 13.86 12.97 (15.02) 14.19 13.74

7. 12.41 D' L2 U B2 L2 U2 F2 R2 D F2 L' D2 U' L' F D' B' D2 L F' U'
8. 13.10 U2 L2 F2 R2 U F2 R2 U R2 D2 B' F U' R L B U B2 L
9. 11.72 F2 U' F2 D' L2 F2 D' F2 U' L2 D2 R' F L B' L2 U R U B L2 U'
10. 13.70 L2 F2 D' F2 U' L2 F2 R2 F2 U' B R F' U B2 D2 R2 B2 U2 L'
11. 13.49 L2 D B2 L2 U' B2 F2 R2 U' B2 D F' L' B' U' F' U2 F2 L' B F D'
12. 12.48 U R2 L2 U2 R2 D F2 D L2 U R2 B L' B D' U B F' U' F D U'
13. 12.88 U B2 U2 R2 U' R2 B2 L2 D F2 D R F' U' R U' R' B L F2 L
14. 13.86 U L2 U2 R2 U R2 F2 U R2 B2 D' F' B2 D2 R B' D' U2 F U' L U
15. 12.97 U L2 B2 D2 B2 D R2 F2 U' B2 L D2 U R2 L2 F R L' B D
16. 15.02 U2 R2 F2 D B2 L2 U F2 R2 D U' R' U B F' D' R' L' B F2 L'
17. 14.19 F2 U B2 D' B2 F2 U F2 L2 F2 D' B' U F2 L B F U B' D B2 L2
18. 13.74 U' F2 D B2 F2 D2 L2 U' R2 L2 U' B' R' L U L D' R2 U' F2 L

Roux PB. I think all were 1-look CMLL.

sub-15 globally pls
 
sub-15 globally pls
Not for a while. I set a goal to get sub-15 by April a couple of days ago; that seems realistic given my rate of improvement.

E: or not

Roux
12-Jan-2015 09:22:24 - 09:59:48

Mean: 14.84
Average: 14.74
Best time: 11.72
Median: 14.09
Worst time: 23.09
Standard deviation: 2.18

Best average of 5: 12.95
9-13 - (11.72) (13.70) 13.49 12.48 12.88

Best average of 12: 13.28
7-18 - 12.41 13.10 (11.72) 13.70 13.49 12.48 12.88 13.86 12.97 (15.02) 14.19 13.74

1. 17.49 U' L2 B2 R2 B2 U' F2 D2 R2 L2 U' B' D2 F' D U2 R L' B U' B2 U2
2. 16.82 U' L2 B2 D2 B2 D' B2 F2 L2 F2 U R F' L2 B D2 U2 R D2 B2 L U'
3. 16.01 L2 F2 D' R2 U' F2 D R2 F2 L2 U' F U R' F U2 R B R F' L' U'
4. 15.61 D2 R2 U' F2 D' L2 B2 F2 D' B2 U L' D U2 B R' D F D' U B2 R2
5. 16.74 U' R2 D R2 F2 U' B2 F2 D' F2 D2 B D' F D' R L2 D B' U L2 U'
6. 16.82 B2 L2 U F2 L2 D2 L2 D F2 R2 B2 L' D' B' R U' B L2 B2 D U2
7. 12.41 D' L2 U B2 L2 U2 F2 R2 D F2 L' D2 U' L' F D' B' D2 L F' U'
8. 13.10 U2 L2 F2 R2 U F2 R2 U R2 D2 B' F U' R L B U B2 L
9. 11.72 F2 U' F2 D' L2 F2 D' F2 U' L2 D2 R' F L B' L2 U R U B L2 U'
10. 13.70 L2 F2 D' F2 U' L2 F2 R2 F2 U' B R F' U B2 D2 R2 B2 U2 L'
11. 13.49 L2 D B2 L2 U' B2 F2 R2 U' B2 D F' L' B' U' F' U2 F2 L' B F D'
12. 12.48 U R2 L2 U2 R2 D F2 D L2 U R2 B L' B D' U B F' U' F D U'
13. 12.88 U B2 U2 R2 U' R2 B2 L2 D F2 D R F' U' R U' R' B L F2 L
14. 13.86 U L2 U2 R2 U R2 F2 U R2 B2 D' F' B2 D2 R B' D' U2 F U' L U
15. 12.97 U L2 B2 D2 B2 D R2 F2 U' B2 L D2 U R2 L2 F R L' B D
16. 15.02 U2 R2 F2 D B2 L2 U F2 R2 D U' R' U B F' D' R' L' B F2 L'
17. 14.19 F2 U B2 D' B2 F2 U F2 L2 F2 D' B' U F2 L B F U B' D B2 L2
18. 13.74 U' F2 D B2 F2 D2 L2 U' R2 L2 U' B' R' L U L D' R2 U' F2 L
19. 16.70 R2 D F2 U' F2 D2 B2 D' R2 L2 D B' D L F' L2 B' U R L2 D' R2
20. 12.87 L2 D2 L2 B2 D' R2 L2 U2 R2 F2 L' D2 B R' F' L U2 L B' F' U
21. 17.62 B2 D' L2 B2 D L2 B2 L2 U2 F2 L' F' U' L D2 R2 F U' R2 D' U2
22. 13.50 F2 D F2 D' R2 L2 D' B2 U L2 U' B' D2 B2 F R' L2 F D' U F D'
23. 13.98 U2 R2 D F2 R2 F2 R2 L2 U' B2 U' R L F U' B F2 D2 L' D' L2 D'
24. 15.22 U' F2 D2 U B2 L2 U R2 F2 R2 U F L U' R2 D' R' L2 F' D L2 D
25. 17.07 D B2 F2 U' F2 U' R2 U' B2 R2 U' B R2 D L' D' U F D B' F2 D'
26. 16.27 U' F2 U' B2 U F2 D' B2 U' B2 U' B R2 F U' R' D' B' L2 U R U
27. 12.83 B2 U' L2 U' R2 U' B2 D B2 U2 R2 F L B D B' F' R2 B U' L'
28. 17.51 L2 F2 R2 U2 L2 U' L2 D R2 U R2 B' U L' F' D' F U' B F2
29. 16.69 R2 F2 U2 B2 U' F2 D F2 L2 B2 U' L' U F' D2 F R' D B' D B2 F2
30. 14.57 R2 U R2 B2 F2 D' F2 D R2 L2 F R U2 L U' F R2 D' B2 F D2
31. 19.13 D' U' B2 D' F2 R2 F2 U' R2 B2 R' D' B2 U B' D L2 F' R' B2
32. 14.85 B2 D R2 D' B2 F2 U2 B2 D' R2 B2 L' D2 F' D2 R' U' B L2 F' L'
33. 14.27 B2 R2 U B2 R2 D' F2 D2 B2 F2 D' B' U L F R D R2 L2 F2 R2 U2
34. 13.98 R2 U F2 R2 F2 R2 L2 U B2 D U2 R L2 B D2 F R D' U' R' L D2
35. 12.30 U B2 R2 U2 B2 R2 F2 U2 F2 U' R' U L B R F' R B' U R B'
36. 14.54 L2 U2 L2 D' R2 D' B2 F2 U R2 U B' U R' D U L D B F' R2
37. 23.09 F2 U' B2 R2 L2 D' L2 D2 B2 U' F2 R U' B' D' U2 B' R F2 U L'
38. 12.99 F2 U' F2 D' L2 F2 L2 B2 U B2 U2 F' L U2 R' F' L' U R' B2 L2
39. 13.99 R2 F2 R2 U' L2 D' B2 L2 U' B2 U B' F' L' B D' B R2 U' B D2 U2
40. 18.84 U' R2 L2 D F2 U L2 B2 D' U R' F L2 B L' B2 D U' B L U2
41. 13.89 D U F2 D B2 L2 U2 F2 D2 F2 U' L B' D2 B2 F' U R2 L2 F' D2 U
42. 12.37 B2 L2 B2 L2 F2 D B2 D' U2 F2 U2 B' D2 L' D' R2 B2 L U2 F' R
43. 15.64 L2 D2 L2 F2 D' L2 U' R2 U2 F2 D2 F L U2 B' L B2 F' R' U2 R2 U'
44. 13.52 F2 D' L2 F2 U2 R2 F2 D2 U' R2 B D2 U L D L2 F' R' L' F2
45. 13.30 D2 L2 U' F2 U' R2 U2 B2 R2 F2 R2 B' L' D2 R2 D R2 B R' B U'
46. 15.16 F2 U' R2 L2 B2 R2 L2 D F2 R2 D' R' D' R2 L' U' R2 L' U' B R
47. 13.84 U F2 D' L2 D' F2 L2 B2 L2 F2 U2 B F2 R L D' F L D' R' D2
48. 16.85 R2 U R2 B2 D' F2 U R2 L2 U' B2 R' B' U B L F' U2 L B F2 U
49. 12.11 F2 R2 D2 U R2 F2 R2 L2 U B2 U2 R L2 D' F' R' L' B F L' U' F'
50. 13.64 D2 U' L2 D L2 B2 L2 U2 R2 U' F2 R D B U B L' D' U' B F' U'
 
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E: or not

Roux
12-Jan-2015 09:22:24 - 09:59:48

Mean: 14.84
Average: 14.74
Best time: 11.72
Median: 14.09
Worst time: 23.09
Standard deviation: 2.18

Best average of 5: 12.95
9-13 - (11.72) (13.70) 13.49 12.48 12.88

Best average of 12: 13.28
7-18 - 12.41 13.10 (11.72) 13.70 13.49 12.48 12.88 13.86 12.97 (15.02) 14.19 13.74

1. 17.49 U' L2 B2 R2 B2 U' F2 D2 R2 L2 U' B' D2 F' D U2 R L' B U' B2 U2
2. 16.82 U' L2 B2 D2 B2 D' B2 F2 L2 F2 U R F' L2 B D2 U2 R D2 B2 L U'
3. 16.01 L2 F2 D' R2 U' F2 D R2 F2 L2 U' F U R' F U2 R B R F' L' U'
4. 15.61 D2 R2 U' F2 D' L2 B2 F2 D' B2 U L' D U2 B R' D F D' U B2 R2
5. 16.74 U' R2 D R2 F2 U' B2 F2 D' F2 D2 B D' F D' R L2 D B' U L2 U'
6. 16.82 B2 L2 U F2 L2 D2 L2 D F2 R2 B2 L' D' B' R U' B L2 B2 D U2
7. 12.41 D' L2 U B2 L2 U2 F2 R2 D F2 L' D2 U' L' F D' B' D2 L F' U'
8. 13.10 U2 L2 F2 R2 U F2 R2 U R2 D2 B' F U' R L B U B2 L
9. 11.72 F2 U' F2 D' L2 F2 D' F2 U' L2 D2 R' F L B' L2 U R U B L2 U'
10. 13.70 L2 F2 D' F2 U' L2 F2 R2 F2 U' B R F' U B2 D2 R2 B2 U2 L'
11. 13.49 L2 D B2 L2 U' B2 F2 R2 U' B2 D F' L' B' U' F' U2 F2 L' B F D'
12. 12.48 U R2 L2 U2 R2 D F2 D L2 U R2 B L' B D' U B F' U' F D U'
13. 12.88 U B2 U2 R2 U' R2 B2 L2 D F2 D R F' U' R U' R' B L F2 L
14. 13.86 U L2 U2 R2 U R2 F2 U R2 B2 D' F' B2 D2 R B' D' U2 F U' L U
15. 12.97 U L2 B2 D2 B2 D R2 F2 U' B2 L D2 U R2 L2 F R L' B D
16. 15.02 U2 R2 F2 D B2 L2 U F2 R2 D U' R' U B F' D' R' L' B F2 L'
17. 14.19 F2 U B2 D' B2 F2 U F2 L2 F2 D' B' U F2 L B F U B' D B2 L2
18. 13.74 U' F2 D B2 F2 D2 L2 U' R2 L2 U' B' R' L U L D' R2 U' F2 L
19. 16.70 R2 D F2 U' F2 D2 B2 D' R2 L2 D B' D L F' L2 B' U R L2 D' R2
20. 12.87 L2 D2 L2 B2 D' R2 L2 U2 R2 F2 L' D2 B R' F' L U2 L B' F' U
21. 17.62 B2 D' L2 B2 D L2 B2 L2 U2 F2 L' F' U' L D2 R2 F U' R2 D' U2
22. 13.50 F2 D F2 D' R2 L2 D' B2 U L2 U' B' D2 B2 F R' L2 F D' U F D'
23. 13.98 U2 R2 D F2 R2 F2 R2 L2 U' B2 U' R L F U' B F2 D2 L' D' L2 D'
24. 15.22 U' F2 D2 U B2 L2 U R2 F2 R2 U F L U' R2 D' R' L2 F' D L2 D
25. 17.07 D B2 F2 U' F2 U' R2 U' B2 R2 U' B R2 D L' D' U F D B' F2 D'
26. 16.27 U' F2 U' B2 U F2 D' B2 U' B2 U' B R2 F U' R' D' B' L2 U R U
27. 12.83 B2 U' L2 U' R2 U' B2 D B2 U2 R2 F L B D B' F' R2 B U' L'
28. 17.51 L2 F2 R2 U2 L2 U' L2 D R2 U R2 B' U L' F' D' F U' B F2
29. 16.69 R2 F2 U2 B2 U' F2 D F2 L2 B2 U' L' U F' D2 F R' D B' D B2 F2
30. 14.57 R2 U R2 B2 F2 D' F2 D R2 L2 F R U2 L U' F R2 D' B2 F D2
31. 19.13 D' U' B2 D' F2 R2 F2 U' R2 B2 R' D' B2 U B' D L2 F' R' B2
32. 14.85 B2 D R2 D' B2 F2 U2 B2 D' R2 B2 L' D2 F' D2 R' U' B L2 F' L'
33. 14.27 B2 R2 U B2 R2 D' F2 D2 B2 F2 D' B' U L F R D R2 L2 F2 R2 U2
34. 13.98 R2 U F2 R2 F2 R2 L2 U B2 D U2 R L2 B D2 F R D' U' R' L D2
35. 12.30 U B2 R2 U2 B2 R2 F2 U2 F2 U' R' U L B R F' R B' U R B'
36. 14.54 L2 U2 L2 D' R2 D' B2 F2 U R2 U B' U R' D U L D B F' R2
37. 23.09 F2 U' B2 R2 L2 D' L2 D2 B2 U' F2 R U' B' D' U2 B' R F2 U L'
38. 12.99 F2 U' F2 D' L2 F2 L2 B2 U B2 U2 F' L U2 R' F' L' U R' B2 L2
39. 13.99 R2 F2 R2 U' L2 D' B2 L2 U' B2 U B' F' L' B D' B R2 U' B D2 U2
40. 18.84 U' R2 L2 D F2 U L2 B2 D' U R' F L2 B L' B2 D U' B L U2
41. 13.89 D U F2 D B2 L2 U2 F2 D2 F2 U' L B' D2 B2 F' U R2 L2 F' D2 U
42. 12.37 B2 L2 B2 L2 F2 D B2 D' U2 F2 U2 B' D2 L' D' R2 B2 L U2 F' R
43. 15.64 L2 D2 L2 F2 D' L2 U' R2 U2 F2 D2 F L U2 B' L B2 F' R' U2 R2 U'
44. 13.52 F2 D' L2 F2 U2 R2 F2 D2 U' R2 B D2 U L D L2 F' R' L' F2
45. 13.30 D2 L2 U' F2 U' R2 U2 B2 R2 F2 R2 B' L' D2 R2 D R2 B R' B U'
46. 15.16 F2 U' R2 L2 B2 R2 L2 D F2 R2 D' R' D' R2 L' U' R2 L' U' B R
47. 13.84 U F2 D' L2 D' F2 L2 B2 L2 F2 U2 B F2 R L D' F L D' R' D2
48. 16.85 R2 U R2 B2 D' F2 U R2 L2 U' B2 R' B' U B L F' U2 L B F2 U
49. 12.11 F2 R2 D2 U R2 F2 R2 L2 U B2 U2 R L2 D' F' R' L' B F L' U' F'
50. 13.64 D2 U' L2 D L2 B2 L2 U2 R2 U' F2 R D B U B L' D' U' B F' U'
Pretty bad start, did you fail to roll it?
 
I get what you're saying, I just don't think methods get better over time; it's the people that do. The fastest method now is the same as the fastest method 10 years ago, we just don't know what that method is (if you get what I mean [emoji14])
I actually do methods get better over time. I'll try to make some examples:

1. Imagine when rubiks brand or similar cube was the best one availible. Obviously Roux method would be very bad compared to what it is now because M-slice would be quite impossible to use with any amount of speed... :/

2. When someone comes up with some new stuff (WV or edge control for CFOP for example) that can give some new potential to already existing method. Similarly if someone generates significantly better algs for some alg set that can improve a method.

Also, imo, proof is a different thing to evidence!

Yeah you are right :) I'm not a native English speaker so sometimes I mess up this kind of things if not concentrating on my writing :P
 
Pretty bad start, did you fail to roll it?
That start was what my times are usually like. I didn't try rolling it; I got bored and started doing some OH, so I reset the session.
I actually do methods get better over time. I'll try to make some examples:

1. Imagine when rubiks brand or similar cube was the best one availible. Obviously Roux method would be very bad compared to what it is now because M-slice would be quite impossible to use with any amount of speed... :/

2. When someone comes up with some new stuff (WV or edge control for CFOP for example) that can give some new potential to already existing method. Similarly if someone generates significantly better algs for some alg set that can improve a method.

Yeah you are right :) I'm not a native English speaker so sometimes I mess up this kind of things if not concentrating on my writing :P
Yeah, you're right. And sorry about the English thing.
 
9.56 F2 R2 D' B2 U2 D F2 D' L D L' F' D' U' R' U' F R' B R2 U2 L F2 D U2

Missed breaking PB by .1. My cross solution set up the first pair really nicely, but I somehow didn't see a 3 move second F2L pair, and I know all but 6 of the OLLs with at least two edges oriented, but I got one I didn't know this time. The solve could've been much better.

Didn't get the single today, but I did get a 11.65 AO5 and 12.92 AO12, both of which are PBs. The AO12 might have been faster if my family hadn't gotten home right during the 5th solve of the AO5, and started talking to me and asking me to quit cubing. :/ I was really, really in the zone, and I got nervous and started making mistakes after the 11th solve in the AO12. I could have rolled the first six solves of it.

(9.56), 14.69, 13.56, 13.44, 13.17, 15.37, 11.34, 10.42, 11.80, 14.97, 11.80, 13.98.


I also got a PB single (3:35.71) and MO3 (3:51.84) on 7x7, as well as rolling my AO100 to 4:10.80.

3:56.55, 3:35.71, 4:03.28.


Hey, we're basically the exact same speed on 3x3. We should race or something.
 
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