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Ooh... I just had an idea (possibly bad...) to add on to that:

Alternative step 4. After the second block, put the last two L and R edges in the top layer. Now solve the corners and position the M edges in the M layer in one go.

Alternative step 5. Permute the L6E (in one go)

Your thoughts on this?


Btw, I have no idea about the number algorithms required to learn for step 4...

EDIT: :S I think it might be around 200+...
 
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Interesting. I don't know how many cases it brings it down to, and how many extra it makes 'CMOLL'. Do you mean that the M edges would be in the M layer /and/ the corners are adjusted as solved?

It's obviously better than 2look LSE, but is it by much? And is it many algs to learn?

EDIT; I think corners can feasibly be done in 129 algs.

EDIT2; LSE is 24 (easy) algs I think.

Well, M layer in one alg is 12 cases (I think). UL/UR can either be solved or swapped, so multiply the number of case by 2.

12 is conservative, since many of those 12 cases are inverse or mirrors of each other.
 
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1. Yes. Just to clarify, the corners should be solved and adjusted so they're in their correct positions, and the last L and R edges should be on the UL and UR but they can be switched with each other.

2. Probably not by much I think...

3. Probably...

Yeah I'm sure you've got the right idea.
 
This is actually a really good idea. It's just a case of biting the bullet and learning 129 new algs.

It might even be worth me learning the LSE cases anyway, since I could 1look them when they come up. (I skip EO a lot these days with KCLL anyway)
 
Average: 4.66
Standard Deviation: 0.31
Best Time: 2.24
Worst Time: 5.79
Individual Times:
1. 5.15 F2 U' R F' U' R2 F2 U'
2. 4.16 U2 R' F2 U F2 U2 R U'
3. (2.24) F R F R' U' R' U2
4. (5.79) U F2 U' F R' U2 F2 U'
5. 4.66 R F' U R F2 R2 F'
see bolded scramble, ignore my sucky time, that is an almost for sure WR scramble, it was a decent AVG5 too.
 
By being stupid. I only considered having to learn algs for 3 configurations for edges, when there is 6 - giving 258. Hmm.

However, you can reduce it to 4 configurations to give 172, but it's a bit sloppy (requires max 2 setup moves). Configurations are edges in UL/UR, UF/UB, UL/DF, UR/DF. You can reduce to 3 configurations and 129 algs by allowing max 3 setups moves, but this subset is not worth learning.

EDIT; Then again, 258 algs is better than the 360 you'd have to learn for one look LSE without any influence other than EO.
 
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new PB avg12, 4.80
Average: 4.80
Standard Deviation: 0.81
Best Time: 3.39
Worst Time: DNF
Individual Times:
1. (3.39) U F2 U' F R U' R U'
2. 3.54 F' R' U F U F' R' U
3. 4.29 R2 F' R F2 U2 R F' U'
4. (DNF) U F2 R U' R' F U2 F' R'
5. 6.07 F2 U F2 R2 U R2 U F' R
6. 4.77 U2 R2 U' F U2 R' F' U2 F
7. 5.18 U2 R F2 R U2 F' R U
8. 6.43 U' F U2 R2 U' F' R U F'
9. 5.17 F2 U F2 R' F R' U F2 R U'
10. 4.07 R' U F' U' F R2 U'
11. 4.54 U F' U2 R' F U2 F2 U'
12. 3.89 R' F2 U' F R2 F' R' F R'
 
Code:
03:26:03 <+Kirjava> you could solve one of the edges correctly during CMLL
03:26:06 <+Kirjava> just one
03:26:12 < Robert> ah...
03:26:12 <+Kirjava> and one look LSE would be 60 algs
03:26:25 <+Kirjava> I don't know how many algs corners would be though
03:26:32 <+Kirjava> lemmie think
03:26:46 <+Kirjava> 2?
03:27:03 <+Kirjava> 4 algs to solve a specific edge
03:27:10 <+Kirjava> but you have the choice of two edges
03:27:13 <+Kirjava> so 2 algs?
03:27:17 <+Kirjava> (for each case)
03:27:32 <+Kirjava> 86 algs
03:27:36 <+Kirjava> 86 + 60
 
[9:17:28 PM] Lil' ♠ Cruton IV: Average of 5: 4.58
1. (3.93) U F U' R' F U' F'
2. 5.14 R U R2 U R2 U F' R'
3. (6.15) R' F' R2 U R' U2 F' R U
4. 4.30 U2 F2 R' F' U' R2 U' F2 R2
5. 4.32 U R2 F' U2 F2 U' R' U2 R2 U'
[9:17:38 PM] Lil' ♠ Cruton IV: sub 5 <;O
[9:17:51 PM] Lil' ♠ Cruton IV: thats a pb mayne
[9:17:57 PM] Lil' ♠ Cruton IV: too bad i cant post it >;O
 
2x2 avg12 - 5.24 - stackmat (This must be included for all averages)

5.22 F L2 F' R F' U B U R U2 B L' D B R F2 D2 L2 U' B
3.28 B' D2 R' D2 L F' L' U L B2 L' F2 L2 U2 L2 D' F2 D B2 U2
5.55 F' L U' F2 U2 F' L' B L2 U' B L U L' D2 B R' D2 R2 U
5.36 R B2 U2 B D F U2 F2 R' U' R' F' L B D' R' D F' U2 B2
(11.05) U B D' F2 U R B' D L2 U B' L2 U2 F U' R F' D2 R' F
5.27 B' R2 U' F2 D' B' R' F' D L B D B L2 B2 R' U' B' U2 F'
5.15 D' R' F2 L2 F' U2 L' D' R2 F' L2 B U F U F2 R B2 D' L
(2.90) L B2 D F2 U2 F U' F2 R2 D' F' L2 D' F U L2 F2 U' B R'
5.83 L' D2 F2 R' U2 B' U R' U2 R' U' R' F U2 R' B2 L B2 L' D2
6.93 D B2 L2 D' L F' L B D F2 L2 B' U' F' L U L' B L2 U2
5.11 R2 F R U' B R' D2 L U2 R' F' L' U B U' L F2 R U' R'
4.72 R D' R2 U' B' L2 U R' U2 R2 D' R' B' D2 F D R2 B R2 B

2x2 CCT scrambles shortened from 25 to 20 moves.
The best avg5 in the session was only 5.22, haha.

Not sure if I want to learn CLL or not. It doesn't seem like my times would be that much faster with it. The first layer would be slower than ortega and the recognition wouldn't be that good. Can't decide!
 
2x2 CCT scrambles shortened from 25 to 20 moves.
The best avg5 in the session was only 5.22, haha.

Not sure if I want to learn CLL or not. It doesn't seem like my times would be that much faster with it. The first layer would be slower than ortega and the recognition wouldn't be that good. Can't decide!

At least use 3 gen scrambles! Those are disgusting. ;P
And I'm sure you'd get faster if you learnt CLL.
 
OH 2-gen Scrambles:
number of times: 50/50
best time: 4.12
worst time: 9.40

current avg5: 6.49 (σ = 0.40)
best avg5: 5.41 (σ = 0.29)

current avg12: 6.32 (σ = 0.64)
best avg12: 5.80 (σ = 0.59) HAPPY FACE!

session avg: 6.49 (σ = 1.02)
session mean: 6.50


8.36, 8.21, 7.94, 6.14, 9.40, 5.76, 8.14, 9.18, 8.38, 6.43, 4.52, 6.64, 5.53, 6.62, 5.99, 6.36, 6.33, 6.95, 6.54, 5.41, 6.79, 5.27, 5.29, 6.01, 6.71, 7.23, 6.32, 5.27, 4.83, 5.81, 5.14, 7.12, 6.72, 6.40, 6.86, 7.90, 5.20, 6.43, 7.39, 7.60, 6.21, 5.74, 6.12, 6.13, 5.12, 4.12, 7.03, 6.76, 6.79, 5.92
Scrambles
1. 8.36 R' U' R' U' R' U' R U' R U' R' U R U R' U2 R U R' U' R' U' R U2 R2
2. 8.21 U' R2 U R U' R U' R2 U2 R' U' R' U' R2 U2 R U' R' U R U' R U2 R' U2
3. 7.94 U R' U2 R' U2 R2 U2 R U' R2 U2 R' U2 R U2 R2 U R U' R2 U R' U R2 U
4. 6.14 R2 U2 R2 U' R U2 R2 U R' U' R' U R' U' R' U' R U' R2 U' R2 U R2 U2 R
5. (9.40) R' U2 R2 U R' U R U R' U' R U R' U R' U' R U2 R' U R U R2 U2 R2
6. 5.76 R' U2 R2 U R U R' U R U' R2 U' R U' R' U' R2 U2 R' U' R U R' U' R2
7. 8.14 U2 R U R2 U R2 U2 R' U R' U R2 U2 R U' R2 U R2 U' R U2 R2 U2 R2 U
8. 9.18 R2 U2 R' U2 R U2 R U R U' R U R U' R U' R' U' R' U R2 U2 R U R'
9. 8.38 R2 U2 R2 U' R2 U' R U2 R2 U R U R2 U R U2 R U' R2 U R' U' R2 U2 R2
10. 6.43 R2 U R U' R' U2 R' U2 R U R' U' R2 U2 R U R2 U' R U' R' U R U' R'
11. 4.52 R' U R' U R' U R' U R2 U' R2 U R U' R' U R' U R' U R U' R' U R
12. 6.64 U R U2 R U' R U2 R' U R U' R U R' U' R U R U' R2 U2 R U R U
13. 5.53 R2 U2 R U R' U2 R U R U2 R2 U R2 U2 R U' R U R U' R2 U' R' U' R2
14. 6.62 U R' U' R' U R2 U' R' U R' U R U' R U2 R' U R' U' R U2 R U' R2 U'
15. 5.99 R U' R2 U2 R U2 R' U R2 U R U' R' U' R' U R' U' R' U R2 U' R2 U R2
16. 6.36 R' U R2 U' R2 U2 R U R' U R' U R U R' U R2 U2 R2 U2 R U2 R' U R
17. 6.33 U R' U2 R' U2 R2 U' R U2 R U R2 U R U' R U' R' U' R' U' R U2 R U2
18. 6.95 R2 U2 R' U2 R' U' R U' R U' R2 U2 R U R' U2 R' U R2 U' R2 U2 R2 U' R2
19. 6.54 U R2 U' R U R U' R2 U' R2 U' R2 U' R U R' U' R2 U2 R' U R2 U R' U2
20. 5.41 U' R U' R' U' R2 U R' U R' U2 R' U R U R2 U2 R2 U' R' U2 R' U2 R' U2
21. 6.79 R2 U' R U' R U' R U R U R U R2 U' R2 U R2 U' R U2 R U2 R U2 R2
22. 5.27 U R' U' R2 U2 R U2 R2 U R' U2 R' U' R2 U2 R2 U2 R U R' U2 R' U R U
23. 5.29 U2 R2 U' R' U R2 U R2 U' R U' R U' R U R' U' R2 U' R2 U2 R' U2 R U'
24. 6.01 U R2 U2 R U2 R U R2 U' R2 U2 R U' R2 U' R2 U2 R2 U' R2 U' R' U' R U2
25. 6.71 U' R' U R U2 R' U2 R U R' U2 R2 U' R2 U R' U' R U' R U R2 U R U2
26. 7.23 R2 U2 R2 U R2 U' R' U' R U' R U R' U2 R' U' R2 U R2 U2 R U R2 U2 R'
27. 6.32 U2 R U2 R2 U2 R U' R2 U' R U' R U2 R' U R' U R2 U2 R' U2 R2 U2 R' U'
28. 5.27 R' U R2 U' R U' R U R U R2 U' R' U2 R2 U2 R U' R U R' U2 R2 U2 R'
29. 4.83 U2 R' U' R U' R2 U' R' U R2 U' R' U2 R' U2 R U' R' U2 R' U2 R2 U' R U
30. 5.81 U' R' U2 R' U R U' R2 U2 R' U R U2 R2 U2 R2 U2 R U' R U R U' R2 U2
31. 5.14 R U' R U R U2 R' U' R U R2 U R' U2 R' U R U2 R U2 R U2 R' U R'
32. 7.12 R2 U2 R2 U' R U R' U' R' U R2 U2 R' U R' U2 R U R2 U2 R' U2 R U R2
33. 6.72 U R U R2 U2 R' U' R2 U' R2 U' R' U2 R2 U' R' U R2 U2 R' U' R' U R2 U'
34. 6.40 U R2 U' R U R' U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U' R' U R' U2 R2 U R2 U R2 U R' U'
35. 6.86 U R2 U R' U2 R U R U2 R2 U R2 U2 R2 U' R U R' U' R' U2 R' U R2 U'
36. 7.90 R2 U2 R2 U2 R U' R2 U2 R' U R U R U2 R' U' R2 U2 R U' R2 U' R2 U R2
37. 5.20 U R2 U' R U R2 U2 R U R U R2 U R' U2 R' U' R2 U R U R U2 R U'
38. 6.43 R' U R2 U2 R' U' R2 U' R U R2 U' R' U R' U2 R' U2 R U R' U R U2 R2
39. 7.39 U2 R' U2 R2 U2 R' U2 R' U2 R2 U R2 U R2 U' R2 U' R' U R' U2 R2 U2 R' U2
40. 7.60 R U2 R U2 R' U R U2 R2 U2 R2 U' R U R' U2 R U' R2 U R' U' R' U2 R'
41. 6.21 U R U2 R' U' R U R2 U' R2 U2 R' U R2 U2 R U2 R2 U R U2 R U2 R U'
42. 5.74 R U2 R2 U2 R2 U R U' R U2 R' U R2 U R2 U2 R U' R' U' R U' R2 U2 R
43. 6.12 R' U R U R U' R U2 R2 U R U R' U' R2 U' R U2 R2 U2 R U' R U R'
44. 6.13 U2 R' U' R2 U' R U2 R U2 R U2 R2 U2 R' U' R U R U R U R' U R' U
45. 5.12 R' U2 R2 U R2 U2 R' U' R' U' R' U2 R2 U R2 U2 R U R U' R2 U R2 U2 R
46. (4.12) U2 R U' R U2 R U R' U R U R U2 R U' R2 U' R U2 R U R' U2 R U'
47. 7.03 R U R' U' R2 U2 R U R U' R' U2 R2 U2 R2 U2 R' U' R' U R2 U R2 U' R
48. 6.76 R U2 R U' R' U R U R U' R U R2 U2 R2 U' R' U' R' U2 R U' R' U R'
49. 6.79 U2 R U2 R2 U' R U2 R2 U2 R2 U R2 U' R' U R U2 R2 U2 R U2 R' U R2 U2
50. 5.92 U R2 U2 R U' R U2 R U2 R' U2 R U2 R2 U' R' U R2 U' R' U2 R' U R2 U2
I calculated my TPS on the fastest solve and it was 5.59 QTM (htm? I don't know which is which, but I counted a U2 as two moves. That sounds like qtm to me)
 
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O_O
2x2 O_O
In the next spoiler is an accomplishment O_O
Just kidding, its in the next one O_O
I promise, it really is in the next one O_O
Times O_O
1.77 2.13 2.19 1.34 1.83 2.87 2.37 2.56 2.84 2.31 2.35 2.47
Look in the next spoiler O_O
2.28 average of 12 O_O
First 5 solves are 1.91 average of 5 O_O
:D
:eek:
Ok this is the end of the spoiler pyramid now. Click the hide button in the top left.

I call bs.
 
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