[Help Thread] 4x4 Discussion

[xyzzy]

Which is better and faster?
- recognising that you have PLL + parity, and doing the parity from any angle, not regarding what PLL you get afterwards
OR
- Recognising that you have PLL + parity, finding and angle to do a suitable PLL from, and doing said PLL so you end up with opposite swap PLL Parity

Third option: solve PLL parity in a single alg.

Around half of the adjacent-CP cases have algs that are (probably) better than doing normal PLL + normal PLL parity in either order. E.g. R U' L U2 R' U 3r' r2 U2 r2 u2 2R2 u2 is much shorter than normal parity + J perm and is mostly RU-ish.

i hate doing slice moves

which is faster parity alg ?

Rw2 R2 U2 Rw2 R2 Uw2 Rw2 R2 Uw2

or

Rw2 F2 U2 Rw2 R2 U2 F2 Rw2 ???

Third option again: u2 r2 U2 2R2 U2 r2 u2. Pretty much a toss-up between this and r2 F2 U2 2R2 U2 F2 r2 if you don't want (many) slice moves.

 

[mencarikebenaran]

my 4x4 PB is around 40.xx

around 2 or 3 days ago i almost get PB. my time is 41.37 with PLL parity

i know nobody care if i get parity or not, but i just want to tell you if i get no PLL parity, maybe around 39.xx

 

[Thom S.]

I'm not sure what alg you mean by 'flip'

I am not quite sure you are being hones here, but flip is
R U R' F R' F' R
'Flipping' the FR Edge/Dedge/Tredge/...

 

[Abram Grimsley]

my 4x4 PB is around 40.xx

around 2 or 3 days ago i almost get PB. my time is 41.37 with PLL parity

i know nobody care if i get parity or not, but i just want to tell you if i get no PLL parity, maybe around 39.xx

I agree. I broke my pb and got my first sub-1 minute solve on 4x4 a couple of weeks ago, it was a 58.31 with pll parity. And if I hadn't gotten pll parity, I believe my solve could have been a 56 or 57 second solve (OLL Parity doesn't faze me, and also I am not very fast at pll parity. Lol).

 

[Timona]

I agree. I broke my pb and got my first sub-1 minute solve on 4x4 a couple of weeks ago, it was a 58.31 with pll parity. And if I hadn't gotten pll parity, I believe my solve could have been a 56 or 57 second solve (OLL Parity doesn't faze me, and also I am not very fast at pll parity. Lol).

PLL Parity is a 1.5 second alg. OLL parity on the other hand, for me, is 5 seconds

 

[Abram Grimsley]

1.5 seconds is still enough to ruin a pb solve.
I wish I was that fast on pll parity.
For me, pll parity is like 2 seconds. Oll is like 5 seconds.

 

[Thom S.]

And if all of yours 3x3 PB was 7.00 seconds but you got an F Perm/4 Dots/an L ZBLL, do you also consider it a sub 7 because it could have been a U Perm/U Perm/H ZBLL or is this phenomenon only found on Parity?

 

[Abram Grimsley]

No, I said it could have been. I don't count it. If all my pb are 7.00 seconds, I say they could have been better if the alg was better and easier, but I still count it as a 7 second pb. It is a thought of "could have been " not of "what I count it as ".

 

[mencarikebenaran]

i have four 4x4 PB

1. 40.xx no parity
2. 43.xx OLL parity
3. 41.37 PLL parity
4. 44.xx OLL and PLL parity (i got today)

 

[Abram Grimsley]

i have four 4x4 PB

1. 40.xx no parity
2. 43.xx OLL parity
3. 41.37 PLL parity
4. 44.xx OLL and PLL parity (i got today)

Nice.

 

[mencarikebenaran]

hope i can get faster with yau,
because i feel like i am a fool if i dont use yau on 4x4,
its like i use beginner method if i solve 4x4 with redux

 

[Timona]

hope i can get faster with yau,
because i feel like i am a fool if i dont use yau on 4x4,
its like i use beginner method if i solve 4x4 with redux

You'll be slow at first but when you get used it becomes faster

 

[Abram Grimsley]

hope i can get faster with yau,
because i feel like i am a fool if i dont use yau on 4x4,
its like i use beginner method if i solve 4x4 with redux

I'm also trying to learn yau, and I find that It is a mix of LBL and redux (or so it seems ).good luck to you.

 

[mencarikebenaran]

finally i got Yau PB

5. 48.11 F2 R' L2 D2 R2 F' L2 F2 R2 D2 B L2 U2 F' L D F' D2 R' D2 R2 Rw2 Uw2 L B' Uw2 Rw2 L' B' U2 F' R' L' Fw2 Uw' F Uw2 L' Fw2 U2 B Fw U' D R'

 

[DynaXT]

Making 4x4 my main event for the summer, I've known Yau, half centers, and 3-2-3 for about 6 months now, so is there anything else after that or just improving lookahead and faster turning?

 

[Stock_Fish109]

k i saw the first two posts and i was like

what is pochmann for centers

 

[Timona]

k i saw the first two posts and i was like

what is pochmann for centers

That's some 2008 stuff when Yau wasn't invented and Redux was good.

 

[Timona]

What's the notation for the inner L or R slice on the 4x4?

 

[DynaXT]

Either 2R/2L or r/l.

 

[xyzzy]

What's the notation for the inner L or R slice on the 4x4?

In SiGN, the notation most people should be using unless they have an extremely good reason not to:
2L, 2R

In Singmaster notation, the old notation a lot of people still use, but is kind of useless outside of blindsolving:
l, r
(note that lowercase letters mean wide moves in SiGN)

In WCA notation, which does not allow notating slice moves directly:
Lw L', Rw R'