[Help Thread] 2x2 Discussion

[mafergut]

Ortega is really great but cyotheking (and I agree) says that LBL or Ortega can be used to do sub 5 averages. LBL can get PL skips though, which Ortega can't do.

Well, I use Ortega but if I see a very easy layer (like 1 or 2 moves) and I don't see any other super easy face which is not a layer then I take the risk and go for the layer. I know I have 1/6 chance to get a skip and a good time. At least half my sub3.5 solves are like that What I really hate about Ortega is, after having a case like this and decided to go for a 4-5 move face instead of the easy layer and then I got a permutation skip on top and I end up with an upside down T or Y perm For those I have specific algs and the T one is quite nice but the Y one is not that fast. Maybe some day I'll take the time to learn CLL/EG but 126 algs is a bit too much for an event I'm not super interested in anyway.

Sure it does, but in Ortega you'd call that a PBL skip. Happens to me all the time. One out of 6 times I choose to go for a solved first layer, as a matter of fact.

Funny we were saying similar things at the same time

 

[EntireTV]

Sure it does, but in Ortega you'd call that a PBL skip. Happens to me all the time. One out of 6 times I choose to go for a solved first layer, as a matter of fact.

True, but for someone who is bad at making layers they will almost always make an unsolved layer. It all basically evens out if you practice imo

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

I just made a video on how to learn to AUF EG algorithms (CLLs/EG1s/EG2s). I think you guys will find it helpful.

 

[PurpleBanana]

All the CLL tutorials I've seen teach you to recognize antisune cases with the oriented corner in the top left. However, most of my antisune algorithms start with the corner in the bottom right, so I recognize the cases from there instead so I don't have to do U2s most of the time after recognition. Is there a reason this is bad or slower than recognizing the cases in the top left?

 

[Loiloiloi]

I frequently finish the white face and see I have a bar, and then I have to take the piece out and replace the other piece and then insert the last one. All this turning ruins both my times, and my one-looking. Is there any quick algo that can fix a bar case? Similar to how R2 F2 R2 permutates diagonally.

 

[PurpleBanana]

I frequently finish the white face and see I have a bar, and then I have to take the piece out and replace the other piece and then insert the last one. All this turning ruins both my times, and my one-looking. Is there any quick algo that can fix a bar case? Similar to how R2 F2 R2 permutates diagonally.

You can use any EG-1 algorithm. But even better, you could insert the pieces correctly in the first place.

 

[WACWCA]

All the CLL tutorials I've seen teach you to recognize antisune cases with the oriented corner in the top left. However, most of my antisune algorithms start with the corner in the bottom right, so I recognize the cases from there instead so I don't have to do U2s most of the time after recognition. Is there a reason this is bad or slower than recognizing the cases in the top left?

I do the same thing, but it doesnt really matter, its mostly preference

I frequently finish the white face and see I have a bar, and then I have to take the piece out and replace the other piece and then insert the last one. All this turning ruins both my times, and my one-looking. Is there any quick algo that can fix a bar case? Similar to how R2 F2 R2 permutates diagonally.

Like PurpleBanana said you can use an EG-1 Alg, probably the easiest would be to do R' F R2 U' R2 F R

 

[biscuit]

I frequently finish the white face and see I have a bar, and then I have to take the piece out and replace the other piece and then insert the last one. All this turning ruins both my times, and my one-looking. Is there any quick algo that can fix a bar case? Similar to how R2 F2 R2 permutates diagonally.

What you want to do is learn ortega it sounds like. It's only like 6 more algs, and drops your time by a lot.

 

[Loiloiloi]

Thanks for the help guys, I decided I'm gonna try to finish my CLL algset quickly so I can learn EG-1 (then maybe EG-2)

 

[PurpleBanana]

Thanks for the help guys, I decided I'm gonna try to finish my CLL algset quickly so I can learn EG-1 (then maybe EG-2)

Are you using Ortega at the moment?

What you want to do is learn ortega it sounds like. It's only like 6 more algs, and drops your time by a lot.

Actually only 3 more, and one of them is R2 F2 R2.

 

[mafergut]

Ortega is a nice "filler" for when you are learning CLL and EG and you get cases you still don't know. For those you just revert to Ortega and, as others have said, there are very few algs to learn. Not just two or three but, if you want to be a bit better at Ortega also the up/down mirrors (like upside down adj-swap and diag-swap, etc.).

 

[Loiloiloi]

I didn't know that, I'll try to learn Ortega soon then. Usually when I get to cases I don't know I have to use my beginners method ( which is just sunes + A perm for LL )

Before I thought learning Ortega when going for full EG would be like learning Roux when learning advanced CFOP

 

[Isaac Lai]

I didn't know that, I'll try to learn Ortega soon then. Usually when I get to cases I don't know I have to use my beginners method ( which is just sunes + A perm for LL )

Before I thought learning Ortega when going for full EG would be like learning Roux when learning advanced CFOP

You'll benefit very much from learning Ortega first. It is not advisable to jump straight into CLL, let alone EG1.

 

[mafergut]

And Roux is or can be as as fast and "advanced" as CFOP. But, in this case, learning Ortega first will let you know the 2x2 better and will be a good fallback option for when you just know half your CLLs / EGs, as the beginner method you use now is not very efficient. I thought you would at least know LBL. At least you could use diferent OLLs instead of just sunes. I assume you at least know 2look OLL algs for 3x3 because you will use those in Ortega for OLL.

 

[atx12345]

I average around 7-8 seconds with lbl on 2x2 and i was wondering if i should switch to ortega or jump to cll. I dont think ortega will help me out that much.

 

[Kyle Reyes]

Hi all,

I think I am getting back to cubing again. As of today, I average around 7-8 secs using LBL.

1. Should I start learning a new method? I am thinking of skipping Ortega and going straight CLL. Should I go it? Why or why not?
2. Should I become color neutral? I currently solve on white. I don't think it'll be that bad moving to color neutral, but if I do another method like CLL will it be hard?

Thanks in advance

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

I average around 7-8 seconds with lbl on 2x2 and i was wondering if i should switch to ortega or jump to cll. I dont think ortega will help me out that much.

Hi all,

I think I am getting back to cubing again. As of today, I average around 7-8 secs using LBL.

1. Should I start learning a new method? I am thinking of skipping Ortega and going straight CLL. Should I go it? Why or why not?
2. Should I become color neutral? I currently solve on white. I don't think it'll be that bad moving to color neutral, but if I do another method like CLL will it be hard?

Thanks in advance

Colour neutral ortega for both of you.

 

[WACWCA]

Hi all,

I think I am getting back to cubing again. As of today, I average around 7-8 secs using LBL.

1. Should I start learning a new method? I am thinking of skipping Ortega and going straight CLL. Should I go it? Why or why not?
2. Should I become color neutral? I currently solve on white. I don't think it'll be that bad moving to color neutral, but if I do another method like CLL will it be hard?

Thanks in advance

If you ever do learn cll, recognition is not hard For the different color s because it's based on the relationship between them, like opposites and same colors

 

[Kyle Reyes]

Colour neutral ortega for both of you.

Hope you don't mind, but I just want to ask why you don't recommend going CLL?

 

[shadowslice e]

Hope you don't mind, but I just want to ask why you don't recommend going CLL?

It sets you up more nicely for EG (in terms of concepts and is fewer algs) in general but you will need to learn CLL after though.