Dayan vs. V-Cube Patent Infringement

[~Adam~]

The conical structure and corner design are the issues.

You say that as if you know it's fact. Do you know something that we don't? Or am I reading too far into your sentence structure?

 

[cmhardw]

Please everyone be patient until further information is revealed either from V-cubes, or a spokesperson for V-cubes. I can assure you that the matter is being looked into.

 

[masterofthebass]

I am not someone who goes around spreading rumors. That is not beneficial for anyone involved.

 

[daniel0731ex]

I just realized...although the Guhong have no resemblence to the V-cube 3 at all, if you look at the big V-cubes as a reduced 3x3 cube
(as in, moving the outer layers only), the structure is very similar to the Guhong. Perhaps Verdes though the Guhong was a KO because of that?

PS: If you couldn't understand what I am saying, just look at your V-cube 5 or 7. If you glue all the small edge pieces into one single edge, and all centers into one big center, it becomes almost identical (except for some minor tweaks) to the Guhong if you could somehow make it proportional.

This is what I meant:

 

[uberCuber]

Many people are not signing the petition because of respect. They respect him because he invented good bigger cubes, and I do respect that. But you see with the takedown of guhong he is ruining the community. Yes, the pieces might be similar to that on the patent, but as far as I see v-cube has no intentions to make a v3. The guhong is a revolutionary cube, and it's design is the best the community has seen. If v-cube makes 3x3 then the cubing community would be happy seeing as though his cubes are of amazing quality. But if v-cube has no plans of making 3x3's, what's the point of taking good ones off the market?

That's funny that you think that. I could go order a guhong right now if I wanted to.

 

[tertius]

Chris, I sent you a PM on this topic. Can you let me know if you received it? Thanks.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

It's nice for us speedcubers that even cubes which might be technically illegal to own and sell can still be allowed in competition. I doubt the GuHong will get to that point, but if it does a little black market in cubing may well develop.

There already is a huge black market for cubes; a pretty good amount of puzzles sold on sites like popbuying, lighttake, and a bunch of these other sites are pretty blatantly illegal.

 

[prostx23]

Please everyone be patient until further information is revealed either from V-cubes, or a spokesperson for V-cubes. I can assure you that the matter is being looked into.

I could be missing something here because I'm not on all of the time and I could have missed some deleted posts... but I fail to see true impatience, or incivility for that matter. Alot of speculation and conjecture, to be sure, as should be expected when so little hard information is available. After this is a message board. Gossip is part of the deal. This is akin to water cooler talk as far as I'm concerned. With all due respect, the mods on this board, of the dozen or so message boards I visit (of a variety of subject matter) are the most overbearing and persnickety of all. Chill dudes, let the conversation flow. If it truly gets abusive (threats, foul language etc.) then have at it, otherwise, ease off a bit.

 

[EricReese]

Chris, I sent you a PM on this topic. Can you let me know if you received it? Thanks.

I'm sure he has got it. Unless your suggesting a possible malfunction in software that costs (last I remember) around 100 dollars for each license. vBulletin malfunctioning in only your PM to him seems very unlikely so I fail to see the reason for you to post this question in the thread.

 

[~Adam~]

There already is a huge black market for cubes; a pretty good amount of puzzles sold on sites like popbuying, lighttake, and a bunch of these other sites are pretty blatantly illegal.

How many twisty puzzle online stores don't stock any KOs?

 

[waffle=ijm]

2

V cubes
Rubiks

 

[prostx23]

2

V cubes
Rubiks

Exactly... the whole speedcubing community is built around knockoffs. V cubes among them.

 

[kastellorizo]

Not as if it is any surprise, but I asked Pantazis in a PM several times to point out the similarities. I also asked him to show the video. All I got was how I seem to not understand what he's saying and that a lawyer would have to explain it to me. I asked several times for the video (as did Stefan) and he still avoided it in a PM. He also mentioned how that this will be decided by a judge if (and yes, he said if) it goes to court. He argued in the PM very much like he did in this thread (as such bringing up points from this thread that I didn't bring up, etc).

He said he mentioned several times (which he didn't, the same PM where he mentioned this, is the only one) about the "conical" shape of the pieces in the video if you zoom in on something, then zoom out of something else (didn't provide images, or even times in the video to specify which pieces, nor did he even say a corner or edge), then it looks similar to the V-Cube 3 Patent (which he didn't specify to which part of that patent either). I asked for images to better detail it, and he said he couldn't get me any (I asked specifically of the GuHong pieces). If he was talking about the video that izovire gave us, the video mentions the corner stems being similar, not any sort of conical shape, unless I missed something.

Surprise? To me it is not a surprise that you seem to still don't know what is going on.
Can you read again my previous post to save me and others (and possibly you) from wasting more time?
The "arguing" part was me explaining to you the same thing in *different* ways, and providing you with
photos, something I *also* was *not* obliged to do for my opinion (see below my explanation
for my role/job). You were then asking the same question all over again (almost like cut-n-paste style).

I was expressing my opinion (sizes etc). I am not obliged to provide you anything for my opinion.
Yes, I had a brief chat with Konstantinos, but not enough to explain anything too vital or to give details
and I believe I *told* you that!

I am not looking forward to have another chat with Konstantinos and explaining anything ever again, and I would
prefer no one to treat me like any "professional" spokesman (or whatever that is you expect from me,
as if other puzzle companies had one!). Firstly, I am an academic, then a puzzle collector, then a
puzzle designer (for MindStrat Puzzles), then a puzzle solver, and then a spokesman/messenger. It is NOT
my job to tell anyone anything, but even then, I *thought* I could help and be some sort of link.
Which of course, was not appreciated and I won't do ever again. My mistake was trying to be too good
and share things in a restricted manner. But no, you needed to know everything at once, even if I didn't know!!!

Official Spokesman? Maybe yes, but it is NOT my paid job. If some of you like to shoot messengers, it is NOT my problem.

No one (including you, but except Tyson - to me it was not rocket science!) actually realised what was really going on
and I could not even breath while trying to reply to personal insults. The admins were also busy to delete all those
(which was a good thing, but then others did not seem them to understand my own perspective) yet some people here
were just fueling more (knowingly?) accusations and personal insults. At some point, it was impossible for me to prove that
I am not an elephant. If there was a confusion or anger or whatever, it was (at best) a TEAM effort. And all that you
mention above, are IRRELEVANT for the case, unless you like to only have my opinion, which is *unrelated* to the ebay action.
(or unless you are trying again to cause trouble to me). If you or anyone else does not want to listen to me, then at least
listen to Tyson, who managed to find out what was going on.

At two points, *even* then, I still gave all the benefit of the doubt (that it was a misunderstanding and
some of the accusers would wake up and realise it) and I sent seasonal wishes. Maybe some of you thought
I was sarcastic? Well, unlike some other people, I am not. Sarcastic talk is not my style and it will never be.
So in return of my seasonal wishes, I got more sarcasm, more personal attacks, more insults.

Then, I even spent HOURS to reply to many PMs, NOT because I was obliged, but because I was trying to
be NICE as the matter was escalating in public.

Therefore, focus on the actual case and what you are trying to prove, not ME any more.
(unless you have other motives, and judging from your persistence, despite all being explained, I believe you do)

*My* only mistake was to provide a tiny update and an opinion. Had I realised it would be mixed up
so badly I wouldn't bother posting in the first place. So can you (and others who still have no clue
of how this was escalated) stop referring to my name?

Thank you.


Pantazis

 

[tertius]

I'm sure he has got it. Unless your suggesting a possible malfunction in software that costs (last I remember) around 100 dollars for each license. vBulletin malfunctioning in only your PM to him seems very unlikely so I fail to see the reason for you to post this question in the thread.

I'm not sure if you know what the message is about or if you can check his PM's, which seems very unlikely. So I fail to see the reason for you to post this statement in the thread.

 

[HavoCentral]

2

V cubes
Rubiks

Mefferts >.<

 

[waffle=ijm]

even mefferts has knockoffs?

 

[~Adam~]

even mefferts has knockoffs?

Didn't C4Y release the 1st Gigaminx not so long ago?
Does that make this MF8 version a KO?
http://mefferts.com/page.php?lang=en&theme=new_puzzle_release

 

[kastellorizo]

Are you done?

Well, unlike some other people, I am not sarcastic. Sarcastic talk is not my style and it will never be.
So in return of my seasonal wishes, I got more sarcasm, more personal attacks, more insults.

The real question is if *you* are done? I did not attack you personally, but you just did.
Then, you and others ask for explanations, and when you get them, you *still* go on!

 

[masterofthebass]

Mefferts >.<

Mefferts is known to have stocked KO items. They even almost stocked KO 7x7s before people outraged.

 

[~Phoenix Death~]

Mefferts is known to have stocked KO items. They even almost stocked KO 7x7s before people outraged.

That would have been a sight to see.