Dayan vs. V-Cube Patent Infringement

[Toquinha1977]

How's this for an idea...have Verdes license out the patent, if indeed the GuHong borrows from the V-Cube patents. Either a reasonable one-time license fee or a fixed percentage of the net intake from the sale of GuHongs and LingYungs. As there is no official word from Verdes about the status of V-Cube 2-4, 8-11, from the public view, it's essentially on-hold indefinitely, which means there are zero winners if Verdes continues to proceed in this manner. Verdes makes no money as they have no product to fulfill 3x3x3-4x4x4 markets, cannot fund development/production, and takes a serious public relations hit (ie: boycott from the cubing community). Small business retailers are stuck with thousands of dollars of unsellable merchandise. Customers are left with fewer choices. Even if V-Cube does come forth with V-Cube 3 and 4, they will lag behind in terms of meeting demand (production facilities in Greece vs. China) and competitive pricing (expect a V-Cube 3 to cost at least $16).

 

[CuberKyle]

just bought a GuHong on amazon... if you dont have one i would reccomend doing the same

 

[qqwref]

This information is also available if you read the WCA Regulations. Which is what you should have done first.

It's nice for us speedcubers that even cubes which might be technically illegal to own and sell can still be allowed in competition. I doubt the GuHong will get to that point, but if it does a little black market in cubing may well develop.

The market for 3x3x3s is very well saturated with dozens of manufacturers (including Rubik's) on the market. [...] So, how much of a dent can Verdes make if they put the VCube 3 on the market?

This is a good point. When the V5 through V7 came out, everyone was amazed by the quality and turning, especially given the number of layers. There were only a handful of designs for the 5x5x5 and none for the others. But there are so many 3x3x3s on the market, with so many different designs, that the standards are far higher for out-of-the-box turning ability (at least among serious cubers). So it's possible that the idea is to bring down the most popular cube a bit and then try to replace it. Hard to say.

How's this for an idea...have Verdes license out the patent

While it would help their economic situation, my past experience tells me that V-Cubes has absolutely no intent to enter into any kind of deal with Chinese cube manufacturers.

 

[Olji]

well, that will just kill the cube, and the pope should'nt kill what I have learned....

 

[FatBoyXPC]

One would think that they would want to go after the LingYun as well, as it's mostly a tweak of the GuHong, I'd think it's strange if they didn't. And if they don't...kinda makes you wonder...

Well i did a search for lingyun on ebay, and only 1 cube came up. I would think that there would be much more than 1 if ebay hadn't taken any action against it.

So it's still speculation. Does anybody have any knowledge of the LingYun actually being removed from eBay? There is also still one GuHong left on eBay, somehow.

 

[SlapShot]

Well i did a search for lingyun on ebay, and only 1 cube came up. I would think that there would be much more than 1 if ebay hadn't taken any action against it.

So did I from elsewhere.

Not sure exactly why I was banned, and please don't do it again, but I asked a valid
question. Why now, and not when the Guhong was first released ???
I'm sure we won't get an answer to that question.

 

[Dene]

LOL.

As for Dayan and Maru, I don't think that all peoples says that Dayan which is clearly superior to the maru.

So what you don't think you can buy Guhongs anymore? LOL right back at ya

And if you don't think the Dayan is superior then you don't know what a good cube is. If it wasn't for the popping it would be an almost perfect cube. Just look at how much the WR dropped when the Dayan was used. ALMOST 5 SECONDS.

 

[cookieyo145]

what is wrong with v cube. dayan is awesome
i think they're still on cube 2 you .com im gonna check right now

 

[cookieyo145]

holy cow theyre still on cube2you, lets buy right now

 

[y3k9]

holy cow theyre still on cube2you, lets buy right now

Yes, they'll be on a lot of sites such as lightake (by off of there because it's cheaper), if I'm not mistaken the whole dispute is because v-cube took it off ebay.

 

[cookieyo145]

wat about speed cub shop.com???? ill look
nope no luck

 

[y3k9]

wat about speed cub shop.com???? ill look
nope no luck

It's either they took the cube off ebay and some popular stores, or they took it off all paypal using stores. I am not sure which, and in any case do not rely any arguments off of my data.

 

[Whyusosrs?]

Yes, they'll be on a lot of sites such as lightake (by off of there because it's cheaper), if I'm not mistaken the whole dispute is because v-cube took it off ebay.

I guess you don't remember when lightake had to take Marus off it's site because they violated Verde's patent.

 

[HavoCentral]

So what you don't think you can buy Guhongs anymore? LOL right back at ya

And if you don't think the Dayan is superior then you don't know what a good cube is. If it wasn't for the popping it would be an almost perfect cube. Just look at how much the WR dropped when the Dayan was used. ALMOST 5 SECONDS.

I agree that if the dayan didnt pop it would be perfect, but the maru has its perks as well, at least to me it does. Everyone has their opinion on which cube is better, and no single persons opinion can be right, even if many people agree.

It's either they took the cube off ebay and some popular stores, or they took it off all paypal using stores. I am not sure which, and in any case do not rely any arguments off of my data.

Most smaller stores have removed their guhong and lingyun products because ebay and paypal are the same company, and they do not want their paypal account to be terminated.

 

[scotzbhoy]

Is it me or are there virtually no similarities between the V3 design and the GuHong? The corners look a bit similar, though clearly not a direct copy, and the edges are completely different.

 

[y3k9]

Many people are not signing the petition because of respect. They respect him because he invented good bigger cubes, and I do respect that. But you see with the takedown of guhong he is ruining the community. Yes, the pieces might be similar to that on the patent, but as far as I see v-cube has no intentions to make a v3. The guhong is a revolutionary cube, and it's design is the best the community has seen. If v-cube makes 3x3 then the cubing community would be happy seeing as though his cubes are of amazing quality. But if v-cube has no plans of making 3x3's, what's the point of taking good ones off the market?

 

[HavoCentral]

Is it me or are there virtually no similarities between the V3 design and the GuHong? The corners look a bit similar, though clearly not a direct copy, and the edges are completely different.

Its just you.

JAY KAY, lol.

There has been no official statement from Verdes Innovations concerning how the Dayan infringes their patent. As of this point, it is purely speculation.

Many think it is the "Conical Structure" and many think it is the corner stalks. From what I have read since this started, those are the two main assumptions at this point. Though, It could turn out to be something entirely different.

 

[masterofthebass]

Its just you.

JAY KAY, lol.

There has been no official statement from Verdes Innovations concerning how the Dayan infringes their patent. As of this point, it is purely speculation.

Many thing it is the "Conical Structure" and many thing it is the corner stalks. From what I have read since this started, those are the two main assumptions at this point. Though, It could turn out to be something entirely different.

The conical structure and corner design are the issues.

 

[daniel0731ex]

I just realized...although the Guhong have no resemblence to the V-cube 3 at all, if you look at the big V-cubes as a reduced 3x3 cube
(as in, moving the outer layers only), the structure is very similar to the Guhong. Perhaps Verdes though the Guhong was a KO because of that?

PS: If you couldn't understand what I am saying, just look at your V-cube 5 or 7. If you glue all the small edge pieces into one single edge, and all centers into one big center, it becomes almost identical (except for some minor tweaks) to the Guhong if you could somehow make it proportional.

 

[HavoCentral]

The conical structure and corner design are the issues.

Did Verdes Innovations or a spokesperson say that, because I read about those on the forums and have not heard anything official?
And many people have pointed out that everyone is making assumptions, since nothing official has been released.