[Help Thread] Should I switch to Roux?

[FireCuber]

It depends. Choose the method you like better. CFOP is more alg-heavy if that matters, but it's been explored more and there are a ton of resources on it.

Oh...I didn't think of it that way.

 

[Max Cruz]

Roux works. Just needs a little bit more effort...

 

[TDM]

No...I wouldn't if you are averaging about 21 on CFOP. I could be wrong, but that is just my opinion.

Alex Lau switched when he averaged ~20, and people have switched who were sub-10 (and are now faster with Roux). Personally, I don't think it's ever too late to switch

 

[Duncan Bannon]

How much slower will my big cube game be if I switched to Roux (lets say I average 20 second on CFOP and Roux) Will my switching to Roux make my big cubes slower. By how much? Thanks

 

[TDM]

How much slower will my big cube game be if I switched to Roux (lets say I average 20 second on CFOP and Roux) Will my switching to Roux make my big cubes slower. By how much? Thanks

I don't think so, because if that's your CFOP average then you're quite experienced with CFOP already. Even if you were to switch to Roux it would not negatively affect your CFOP by much at all. I would argue it might have a worse effect on bigcubes if you switched to Roux earlier, because then you would have more difficulty with 3x3 stage (either you use Roux which is worse on bigcubes, or you have to use CFOP which you're relatively unskilled at). But if you switch once you're already good at CFOP then you will likely not even notice the difference in your bigcube times.

 

[Duncan Bannon]

I average 20-22 with 4LLL CFOP. I am afraid that switching to roux now would make my big cube 3x3 stage several seconds higher. I may just switch.... Ill prob finish learning CLL for 2x2. Then learn 2 look CMLL(thats just like my edge only OLL and T or Y perm right) and L6e. And forget f2l.

 

[FireCuber]

Alex Lau switched when he averaged ~20, and people have switched who were sub-10 (and are now faster with Roux). Personally, I don't think it's ever too late to switch

yeah....I guess your right.

 

[TDM]

I average 20-22 with 4LLL CFOP. I am afraid that switching to roux now would make my big cube 3x3 stage several seconds higher. I may just switch.... Ill prob finish learning CLL for 2x2. Then learn 2 look CMLL(thats just like my edge only OLL and T or Y perm right) and L6e. And forget f2l.

As long as you continue to use CFOP for the 3x3 stage, I don't think it'll make you several seconds slower. If anything, if you learn 2LLL then your times will actually get better!

 

[Duncan Bannon]

I dont think you are getting what I’m asking. Does using roux make 3x3 stage harder? If so by how much?

 

[Underwatercuber]

I dont think you are getting what I’m asking. Does using roux make 3x3 stage harder? If so by how much?

In my opinion roux isn’t really meant for big cubes. With just 3x3 it’s debatable but for big cubes I think cfop is better.

 

[Oatch]

I dont think you are getting what I’m asking. Does using roux make 3x3 stage harder? If so by how much?

M slices are definitely a bit trickier on the 4x4, but I wouldn't let that discourage you too much. While CFOP-based reduction methods have been proven to get fast times, I'm sure Roux-based methods could achieve similar times with practice. I believe Kian @PenguinsDontFly is currently exploring the potential of Meyer, and is rapidly improving his 4x4 times so I wouldn't give up on Roux entirely for 4x4.

 

[Duncan Bannon]

Im just afraid that switching to Roux won’t be worth it, due to the other NXN events.

 

[DGCubes]

Im just afraid that switching to Roux won’t be worth it, due to the other NXN events.

You could always use CFOP for those, assuming you know it already. It'd be a good way to keep the CFOP algs fresh in your mind too in case you ever need them.

 

[Duncan Bannon]

Yeah IK CFOP Im 20-22 second solver. I may switch. Ill look into a little more.

 

[jdh3000]

This is a question about CFOP users starting Roux.

I used cfop a long time, I do like it and have no desire to switch, yet Roux interests me. I'm not concerned with which method is "better", I simply would like to learn more about it, to do it correctly.

The difficulty I run into is not the block building, I enjoy that part, but when I reach CMLL, my mind wants to revert to cfop's oll/pll.

I'm only trying to learn 2 look cmll at the moment, but as soon as I see a case, something tells me just fix the two D edges and go on with oll/pll, instead of staying the course... I suppose it's just seeming like it's the easiest way at the moment.

I know this is freefop, lazy roux, or whatever it's considered to be, and I am trying to move past it.

I probably should abandon cfop until I learn, and approach it as a beginner, but the thing that makes me want to cube won't allow that. As soon as I start feeling frustrated, I'll want to just do some solves.

Has anyone else who's added Roux(not switched) gone through this or something similar?

Any advice?

Thank you!

 

[Kaneki Uchiha]

This is a question about CFOP users starting Roux.

I used cfop a long time, I do like it and have no desire to switch, yet Roux interests me. I'm not concerned with which method is "better", I simply would like to learn more about it, to do it correctly.

The difficulty I run into is not the block building, I enjoy that part, but when I reach CMLL, my mind wants to revert to cfop's oll/pll.

I'm only trying to learn 2 look cmll at the moment, but as soon as I see a case, something tells me just fix the two D edges and go on with oll/pll, instead of staying the course... I suppose it's just seeming like it's the easiest way at the moment.

I know this is freefop, lazy roux, or whatever it's considered to be, and I am trying to move past it.

I probably should abandon cfop until I learn, and approach it as a beginner, but the thing that makes me want to cube won't allow that. As soon as I start feeling frustrated, I'll want to just do some solves.

Has anyone else who's added Roux(not switched) gone through this or something similar?

Any advice?

Thank you!

I switched from cfop when I averaged like 25 and I had the same problem, what helped me is just doing untimed slow solves where i force myself to do roux.

 

[Sub1Hour]

This is a question about CFOP users starting Roux.

I used cfop a long time, I do like it and have no desire to switch, yet Roux interests me. I'm not concerned with which method is "better", I simply would like to learn more about it, to do it correctly.

The difficulty I run into is not the block building, I enjoy that part, but when I reach CMLL, my mind wants to revert to cfop's oll/pll.

I'm only trying to learn 2 look cmll at the moment, but as soon as I see a case, something tells me just fix the two D edges and go on with oll/pll, instead of staying the course... I suppose it's just seeming like it's the easiest way at the moment.

I know this is freefop, lazy roux, or whatever it's considered to be, and I am trying to move past it.

I probably should abandon cfop until I learn, and approach it as a beginner, but the thing that makes me want to cube won't allow that. As soon as I start feeling frustrated, I'll want to just do some solves.

Has anyone else who's added Roux(not switched) gone through this or something similar?

Any advice?

Thank you!

I haven't done roux seriously outside of doing some L6E stuff, but I have switched to ZZ for OH and I get your problem. I find myself doing cross instead of line way too often, so I would just say slow it down, don't time yourself, and keep saying in your mind "I'm doing roux, not CFOP". That helps a little bit for me just so I don't subconsciously look for a cross.

 

[abunickabhi]

This is a question about CFOP users starting Roux.

I used cfop a long time, I do like it and have no desire to switch, yet Roux interests me. I'm not concerned with which method is "better", I simply would like to learn more about it, to do it correctly.

The difficulty I run into is not the block building, I enjoy that part, but when I reach CMLL, my mind wants to revert to cfop's oll/pll.

I'm only trying to learn 2 look cmll at the moment, but as soon as I see a case, something tells me just fix the two D edges and go on with oll/pll, instead of staying the course... I suppose it's just seeming like it's the easiest way at the moment.

I know this is freefop, lazy roux, or whatever it's considered to be, and I am trying to move past it.

I probably should abandon cfop until I learn, and approach it as a beginner, but the thing that makes me want to cube won't allow that. As soon as I start feeling frustrated, I'll want to just do some solves.

Has anyone else who's added Roux(not switched) gone through this or something similar?

Any advice?

Thank you!

You can try just using the CMLL trainer, and practice a bit of LSE only.

It will help you try to avoid the OLL/PLL outlook, and help you find a different way of finishing L10P.

Good luck, F U E F2 E F' E2 F' U' F'!

 

[Rouxster]

Well Roux is block building so personally I would say get sub 25 at fridrich before attempting it...

but that's just me.

I agree. You have to do intuitive block building in roux, so it will be easier if you are more comfortable with F2L.

 

[jdh3000]

You can try just using the CMLL trainer, and practice a bit of LSE only.

It will help you try to avoid the OLL/PLL outlook, and help you find a different way of finishing L10P.

Good luck, F U E F2 E F' E2 F' U' F'!

I’ll try that, thank you!

I switched from cfop when I averaged like 25 and I had the same problem, what helped me is just doing untimed slow solves where i force myself to do roux.

I think if I was switching and abanding cfop it would be easier. I want to do both but cfop is so ingrained, I have a tough time seeing the corner cases.

I think I will have to force myself to do it. I may just pick a couple of days and do it, then cfop the next just to not lose that, then back n forty.

Thanks!

I haven't done roux seriously outside of doing some L6E stuff, but I have switched to ZZ for OH and I get your problem. I find myself doing cross instead of line way too often, so I would just say slow it down, don't time yourself, and keep saying in your mind "I'm doing roux, not CFOP". That helps a little bit for me just so I don't subconsciously look for a cross.

Yea I need to do something to break that subconscious tendency.

Thanks!