[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

Last layer in ZZ

Hi, I haven't found such a thread so I thought it would be nice to find out what you think about it.
My question is which approach to the last layer in ZZ you consider the best (i mean most efficient in speedsolving).
 
i think it's a step by step thing. now that i use phasing and ZZLL, i'd see its really better, but you cant just learn 170 algs in a few days, so just do COLL EPLL first, that's really nice already.

It's also really important to finish a set. Learning some really fast ZBLLs that are easy to recognise, like mirrors and stuff is worth it, but learning like half of a set and stopping is probably not. It means half he time you took the time to check if you know the case and just end up wasting that time or it means you miss a lot of cases that would be worth the recognition. I miss a lot of 1LLLs that I really like because of this, I'm actually working on a new set that will help avoid missing some of my favorite cases.
 
Hi, I haven't found such a thread so I thought it would be nice to find out what you think about it.
My question is which approach to the last layer in ZZ you consider the best (i mean most efficient in speedsolving).

It might just be me here but I like the idea of WV/PLL but I just really like LS/LL combinations in general
 
[Request] ZZ?

Is there a ZZ pdf file or something about ZZ that is optimized for printing?
 
I am planning on learning ZBLL. In what order should I learn the cases? Also, is it necessary to know the COLL case, or just be able to recognize the COLL? Any website that is helpful for someone wanting to learn it? Should I learn 2GLL then ZBLL? The 2GLL cases are ZBLL's right?
 
I am planning on learning ZBLL. In what order should I learn the cases? Also, is it necessary to know the COLL case, or just be able to recognize the COLL? Any website that is helpful for someone wanting to learn it? Should I learn 2GLL then ZBLL? The 2GLL cases are ZBLL's right?

Do H first because of the double symmetries, everything else doesn't matter, but skip sune/antisune
COLL helps.
Algdb.net
If you want to, but it doesn't matter.
Yes, 2GLL is a ZBLL.
 
I am planning on learning ZBLL. In what order should I learn the cases? Also, is it necessary to know the COLL case, or just be able to recognize the COLL? Any website that is helpful for someone wanting to learn it? Should I learn 2GLL then ZBLL? The 2GLL cases are ZBLL's right?

H set is great because it can be done in a short time, this will give you confidence to tacle the rest. l personally divided the algs into COLL sets so it was necessary to begin with COLL. algdb.net and BindeDSA's ZBLLs are also great. l wouldn't recommend starting with 2GLL, you'd be better off memorizing set by set.

Sune and Antisune are a pain for me only while recognizing the case, the algorithms are not bad and with practice l think that the process will be easier so l'm a proponent of learning them.
 
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H set is great because it can be done in a short time, this will give you confidence to tacle the rest. L personally divided the algs into COLL sets so it was necessary to begin with COLL. algdb.net are BindeDSA's ZBLLs are also great. L wouldn't recommend starting with 2GLL, you'd be better off memorizing set by set.

Sune and Antisune are only a pain for me only while recognizing the case, the algorithms are not bad and with practice l think that the process will be easier so l'm a proponent of learning them.

Hey Egide- I would be really interested in your ZBLL progress. You should upload some more videos on your channel!
 
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