[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

[2180161]

I use patterns to recognize edge cycles, COLL recognition is just as fast as OLL and is patterns. How long did it take you to see that PLL. I would be very surprised if you did it in under 2 seconds.

took me about 3 as I AUFed to place the corner-edge pair in URB/UR

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

took me about 3 as I AUFed to place the corner-edge pair in URB/UR

well thats exactly why you shouldnt do it that way..

 

[Bindedsa]

took me about 3 as I AUFed to place the corner-edge pair in URB/UR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUJRw1tbwv8, does it look like it takes me 3 second to recognize ZBLL?

A question not related to this conversation. Is full ZBLL worth it? I plan on learning it once I am done with COLL. (a little over halfway)

This question is constantly asked, the answer is pretty much no if you have to ask it. If you want to learn it to get faster it is not. You have to be willing to learn algs for fun because the second it saves you every know and then is not worth it if you have an aversion to learning algs.

 

[2180161]

looks like it was a little under a second to be perfectly honest with a few, others were about 2. I'm terrible at recognizing someone's recognition time.

My memory is very good, I have (from my last post with the amount of ZBLL's per case question), learned 2 COLL's

 

[2180161]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUJRw1tbwv8, does it look like it takes me 3 second to recognize ZBLL?



This question is constantly asked, the answer is pretty much no if you have to ask it. If you want to learn it to get faster it is not. You have to be willing to learn algs for fun because the second it saves you every know and then is not worth it if you have an aversion to learning algs.

So then why did you learn ZBLL? If it isn't faster, why did you learn it?

 

[Bindedsa]

So then why did you learn ZBLL? If it isn't faster, why did you learn it?

For OH, also I am not saying it is not faster. I am saying that if you are in anyway considering it might not be worth you're time you are likely to be disappointed when you're done.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

So then why did you learn ZBLL? If it isn't faster, why did you learn it?

yeah, pretty much improvement/time ratio. learning zbll takes a long time, but onklly drops your times by about a second. practising things like F2L doesnt take long and makes you so much faster. zbll is useful once you are god at f2l and LL is holding you back.

 

[2180161]

I want to learn it, so I have more cases to choose from, rather than using two fast algs, I can use one alg, and in return use a slightly longer recog. time. (very slight!)

 

[Bindedsa]

I want to learn it, so I have more cases to choose from, rather than using two fast algs, I can use one alg, and in return use a slightly longer recog. time. (very slight!)

Actually I find the cumulative time of OLL + PLL recog is pretty much the same as ZBLL. Unless I get one of the weird cases.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

Actually I find the cumulative time of OLL + PLL recog is pretty much the same as ZBLL. Unless I get one of the weird cases.

well thats probably because OCLLs make PLL prediction easy. im still astonished as to why you dont use edge control for every solve.

 

[Bindedsa]

well thats probably because OCLLs make PLL prediction easy. im still astonished as to why you dont use edge control for every solve.

Because I am slower with it also I want to learn more algs. I know more 1LLLs that are not ZBLLs than I do that are. Why would I limit it to ZBLL.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

Because I am slower with it also I want to learn more algs. I know more 1LLLs that are not ZBLLs than I do that are. Why would I limit it to ZBLL.

thats true, yeah. how many 1LLLs are there? iirc its over 2000 so therefore you know about half? thats insane man, keep it up! (correct me if im wronf about the #of algs)

 

[Bindedsa]

thats true, yeah. how many 1LLLs are there? iirc its over 2000 so therefore you know about half? thats insane man, keep it up! (correct me if im wronf about the #of algs)

There are about 4k, I'm no where near half.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

There are about 4k, I'm no where near half.

meh I was close (not at all! lol) 25% is still awesome.

 

[MM99]

Just learn ZZ then you'll always have 1LLL

 

[y235]

There are about 4k, I'm no where near half.

Next goal - 1LCFOP?

 

[Berkmann18]

Next goal - 1LCFOP?

Why CFOP ? Anyway you would first need to 1-look F2L-1 which is really tough an no one mastered that yet, as for the rest (LSLL), it would requires a lot of thinking.

 

[y235]

Why CFOP ? Anyway you would first need to 1-look F2L-1 which is really tough an no one mastered that yet, as for the rest (LSLL), it would requires a lot of thinking.

I meant a 1-look solve (as a joke), but I assumed 1LCFOP is more understandable than 1LS

 

[Berkmann18]

I meant a 1-look solve (as a joke), but I assumed 1LCFOP is more understandable than 1LS

I know it was a joke, you could have said 1L solve tho.

 

[adimare]

I know it was a joke, you could have said 1L solve tho.

You must be fun at parties.