[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

[Berkmann18]

You must be fun at parties.

Hahaha

 

[mikolajw]

Last layer in ZZ

Hi, I haven't found such a thread so I thought it would be nice to find out what you think about it.
My question is which approach to the last layer in ZZ you consider the best (i mean most efficient in speedsolving).

 

[4Chan]

With perfect execution, probably ZBLL.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

best balance between #algs, speed of execution, and efficiency IMO is COLL + EPLL.

 

[NeilH]

best balance between #algs, speed of execution, and efficiency IMO is COLL + EPLL.

I agree, and if you wanted to learn ZBLL, COLL gives you a head start.

 

[Bindedsa]

I agree, and if you wanted to learn ZBLL, COLL gives you a head start.

No one should ever think about learning ZBLL without already knowing COLL.

 

[Petro Leum]

best balance between #algs, speed of execution, and efficiency IMO is COLL + EPLL.

i think it's a step by step thing. now that i use phasing and ZZLL, i'd see its really better, but you cant just learn 170 algs in a few days, so just do COLL EPLL first, that's really nice already.

 

[Bindedsa]

i think it's a step by step thing. now that i use phasing and ZZLL, i'd see its really better, but you cant just learn 170 algs in a few days, so just do COLL EPLL first, that's really nice already.

It's also really important to finish a set. Learning some really fast ZBLLs that are easy to recognise, like mirrors and stuff is worth it, but learning like half of a set and stopping is probably not. It means half he time you took the time to check if you know the case and just end up wasting that time or it means you miss a lot of cases that would be worth the recognition. I miss a lot of 1LLLs that I really like because of this, I'm actually working on a new set that will help avoid missing some of my favorite cases.

 

[shadowslice e]

Hi, I haven't found such a thread so I thought it would be nice to find out what you think about it.
My question is which approach to the last layer in ZZ you consider the best (i mean most efficient in speedsolving).

It might just be me here but I like the idea of WV/PLL but I just really like LS/LL combinations in general

 

[obelisk477]

For 2GLLs, do you guys recommend sune/anti/back combos? They're definitely the easiest but they kinda get lost among all the others while learning them

 

[Berd]

It might just be me here but I like the idea of WV/PLL but I just really like LS/LL combinations in general

Some WV cases really suck tho. I love COLL + EPLL.

 

[Berkmann18]

COLL+EPLL is better as a start but, CLS/WV+PLL is good too but for getting into ZZLL and eventually ZBLL, COLL+EPLL is a must with of course OPLL combined

 

[noodlez]

[Request] ZZ?

Is there a ZZ pdf file or something about ZZ that is optimized for printing?

 

[mikolajw]

http://cube.crider.co.uk This is not pdf, but you can print it.

 

[2180161]

I am planning on learning ZBLL. In what order should I learn the cases? Also, is it necessary to know the COLL case, or just be able to recognize the COLL? Any website that is helpful for someone wanting to learn it? Should I learn 2GLL then ZBLL? The 2GLL cases are ZBLL's right?

 

[4Chan]

I am planning on learning ZBLL. In what order should I learn the cases? Also, is it necessary to know the COLL case, or just be able to recognize the COLL? Any website that is helpful for someone wanting to learn it? Should I learn 2GLL then ZBLL? The 2GLL cases are ZBLL's right?

Do H first because of the double symmetries, everything else doesn't matter, but skip sune/antisune
COLL helps.
Algdb.net
If you want to, but it doesn't matter.
Yes, 2GLL is a ZBLL.

 

[OLLiver]

Why skip sune anti sune out of interest? do you find that because the sune alg is so short its not worth it?

 

[Egide]

I am planning on learning ZBLL. In what order should I learn the cases? Also, is it necessary to know the COLL case, or just be able to recognize the COLL? Any website that is helpful for someone wanting to learn it? Should I learn 2GLL then ZBLL? The 2GLL cases are ZBLL's right?

H set is great because it can be done in a short time, this will give you confidence to tacle the rest. l personally divided the algs into COLL sets so it was necessary to begin with COLL. algdb.net and BindeDSA's ZBLLs are also great. l wouldn't recommend starting with 2GLL, you'd be better off memorizing set by set.

Sune and Antisune are a pain for me only while recognizing the case, the algorithms are not bad and with practice l think that the process will be easier so l'm a proponent of learning them.

 

[OLLiver]

H set is great because it can be done in a short time, this will give you confidence to tacle the rest. L personally divided the algs into COLL sets so it was necessary to begin with COLL. algdb.net are BindeDSA's ZBLLs are also great. L wouldn't recommend starting with 2GLL, you'd be better off memorizing set by set.

Sune and Antisune are only a pain for me only while recognizing the case, the algorithms are not bad and with practice l think that the process will be easier so l'm a proponent of learning them.

Hey Egide- I would be really interested in your ZBLL progress. You should upload some more videos on your channel!

 

[2180161]

So how exactly do I do the edge recognition? So far I am recognizing it by EPLL's (H,Z,U,O,W)