I don't know with you, but when people gets abused about something they feel is unfair, they tend to get self defensive(which results in less objective understanding).. I think it's fair (and well-placed) that you outline it, just don't call him a liar, please.You liar. At least half of the mf8 members trust him a lot.He abuse me many and mang times. But now in Chinese forum no one trusts him. Because they know he know nothing about what happened and he is Belongs to ShangHai defend group. No one trusts him again.