The method debate thread

[PetrusQuber]

I did some Averaging of pros and cons of methods..
i started with ZZ v EOcross v Petrus
ZZ:14Cfop:14EOcross:10Petrus:10
i now think petrus can deffinitly be sub 8
I than Did Leor v Petrus
and leor got 7 petrus got 8
(it was just two so it was diff numbers.)
Catagories i looked into for this
Rotations
Movecount
inspection
regrips
pausing(lookahaed.
it was pretty basic but i just wanted an overview and i'm glad i chose petrus because it seems to have slightly more potential than ZZ
im not trying to start a method debate and this is not fact, its just what i've observed possible.

You may not have tried to start a debate but others did so anyway.
I’m not going to enter into this since it seems kind of pointless. All methods realistically have the same potential until WR standards, and even then we have not reached method limits. And I doubt most people will be WR standard by the end of their cubing career, so you should be picking methods based on how much you enjoy solving with it

 

[Silky]

About the blind spots.
I do think this could be eliminated with practice, people (including myself) has practiced to the extent that blind spots don't bother.

Fair. Just something to consider.

 

[Metallic Silver]

You know you orient LL edges for Petrus too and can use the aforementioned subsets with Petus...

Oh dang that's right, I forgot about that. I dont use EO when I do petrus, the EO is solved for me 50% of the time.

 

[Deleted member 51471]

Oh dang that's right, I forgot about that. I dont use EO when I do petrus, the EO is solved for me 50% of the time.

That's not petrus then...

 

[Metallic Silver]

That's not petrus then...

It's still considered petrus. There's just different styles and variants.

 

[Josh_]

It's still considered petrus. There's just different styles and variants.

If you don’t do eo isn’t that just FreeFop except you limit yourself to starting with a 2x2x3?

 

[PapaSmurf]

Yeah, that’s FreeFOP, not Petrus.

 

[Metallic Silver]

I never really consider it FreeFOP becuz I call this method FreeFOP:

 

[fun at the joy]

This is what the wiki says:

1. FreeF - Solve the first two layers F2L however you wish.
2. O - Solve OLL
3. P - Solve PLL

This guy doesn't even know what the abbreviation FreeF O P stands for.
As other people said, what you do is FreeFOP and is very different to Petrus.
Also EO done 50% of the time is very unlikely, the probability is actually a lot lower than that.
I really liked how you compared ZZ and Petrus without knowing what Petrus is. GENIUS
It makes your post completely worthless but nice try anyway.

 

[Spacey10]

Umm, well imo I think Roux, you can get faster with it quickly, but as you get faster, it becomes super hard to go forward, and with CFOP, your improvement is slow, but you can go further past sub 10 until the hard barrier comes.

 

[PetrusQuber]

You can get faster with quickly’ - @Spacey10 2020

 

[Spacey10]

You can get faster with quickly’ - @Spacey10 2020

Adding to my sig lol
Also changed it

 

[ribbon method]

Roux vs cfop vs petrus vs zb vs zz vs freefop vs waterman vs leor vs heise/speedheise vs ribbon vs zipper which one is better


Im a freefoper sub 50 so close to sub 40 and, with cfop I couldn't get anywhere near sub 40. was still sub 50 but high sub 50. freefop has really helped my times

 

[Deleted member 51471]

Roux vs cfop vs petrus vs zb vs zz vs freefop vs waterman vs leor vs heise/speedheise vs ribbon vs zipper which one is better


Im a freefoper sub 50 so close to sub 40 and, with cfop I couldn't get anywhere near sub 40. was still sub 50 but high sub 50. freefop has really helped my times

Imo, Waterman is the best of all those. Just my opinion.

 

[PapaSmurf]

ZZ or Roux. https://www.speedsolving.com/threads/the-method-debate-thread.76665/post-1372453 for a defense of why ZZ≥CFOP.

 

[zslane]

Is there a consensus on the function to use to sort the methods from worst to best? If not, then this debate is over before it even begins.

 

[PapaSmurf]

You can make a very good case for the effectiveness of a method from movecount and ergonomics. The problem arises when ergonomics become a bit subjective.

 

[RadicalMacaroni]

While ZZ F2L has great ergonomics, EOCross ergonomics are quite bad

 

[Username: Username:]

While ZZ F2L has great ergonomics, EOCross ergonomics are quite bad

Well, you can compensate by doing EOCross fast or git gud at turning.

 

[RadicalMacaroni]

Well, you can compensate by doing EOCross fast or git gud at turning.

Yeah, but eocross's poor ergonomics prevent zz from being objectively better than any other method for 2h