[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

Average of 25, 2015-02-06-16:39
Average: 2.73
Best: 0.06
Worst: DNF
Mean: 2.58
Standard Deviation: 0.71

1: 2.47 D2 U2 B D2 L2 B D2 F R2 D2 B R B2 U L' U2 L F R2 D' R
2: 2.35 D' U2 R2 F2 D F2 U' F2 U2 F2 U2 L' U R2 B2 R F' D2 L D
3: 2.43 L2 D2 B' D2 B' R2 B2 R2 D2 F' R' D L U F' R2 U' L' D' F L
4: 2.54 B2 D' B' R' F' D' F D L' B' R2 L2 U2 D F2 R2 U L2 U
5: 2.36 D' L2 D' B2 D L2 D' F2 R' B R U B D R F2 R U' F
6: 1.49 U2 L' D2 L' F2 D2 R2 B2 F2 R D' R2 U L F U L2 R' U' F2
7: 3.19 R2 B F R2 D2 F R2 D2 R2 D' R' D' F2 D L' B2 D R' B2
8: 2.18 F2 D2 R' D2 B2 R D2 B2 D2 L' D' F' U' B D B' U B2 U R2 F'
9: (DNF) D U' B2 F2 U2 L2 R U2 R B2 U' R U2 R2 F' U'
10: 2.00 D F2 L' B' R U2 F' U2 F' U R2 F' U2 F' U2 B2 R2 D2 B2 R2 U2
11: 2.58 D F2 L' B' R U2 F' U2 F' U R2 F' U2 F' U2 B2 R2 D2 B2 R2 U2
12: 3.87 B2 R2 U' L2 F2 D' U' L2 U2 R' U' L B L' D2 B' R2 D F'
13: 3.17 B2 F2 L2 D2 B2 F2 L' F2 L' R' D' F D2 B' R D' U' R' U2 R'
14: 1.57 D L2 U2 L2 F2 L2 U F2 L B R2 F D' B L' F D' F D
15: 3.83 R' F R F B D F' B L D R2 U F2 R2 U' F2 L2 F2 R2 U2
16: 3.19 R2 D' F2 B' U' R B2 L' U2 D2 F R2 L2 D2 B' D2 F' U2 F'
17: 2.52 U2 B2 D R' F L' D F R U L2 U' L2 U2 B2 R2 U B2 R2 D'
18: 3.88 L2 U' B2 D U2 L2 D F2 D2 R' D2 U B U' B' F' D2 B2 R F
19: 4.05 F' R2 B' L2 U2 L2 B D2 R' D B' U2 R U' L2 B L U F2
20: 3.02 L2 D' F2 D2 L2 U2 L2 B2 R2 U' L U2 R' B' D F L R2 U2 L
21: 2.66 U B2 F2 R2 B2 D' B2 U L2 U' B U2 F2 U' F L B' R U F' D'
22: 3.00 R' B2 L2 D' R' F' B2 R2 B' U F2 L' F2 B2 U2 R2 L U2 F2 L D2
23: 1.60 L' F U2 R' L' F2 U2 B' U R D' B2 D R2 L2 D' F2 D2 F2 R2
24: 2.49 U F2 U' L2 F2 D2 L2 F' B2 R' F U2 R2 B L2 D2 B' R2 F'
25: 2.05 U2 L2 D2 F2 L' R2 U2 R' B' L' D2 L' U2 L U' F2 L' R
Some first block stuff, practicing planning out full FB. :)
 
I just got a new PB of 32.50 woot! It was a bit of a fluke though, after the first two blocks, the corners were one of the H algs I've learned, so I didn't need to do a second look at the corners. And after that, all edges were correctly permuted and the UL & UR edges were in the right place - not quite a L6E skip, but close.
 
markfiend said:
I just got a new PB of 32.50 woot! It was a bit of a fluke though, after the first two blocks, the corners were one of the H algs I've learned, so I didn't need to do a second look at the corners. And after that, all edges were correctly permuted and the UL & UR edges were in the right place - not quite a L6E skip, but close.
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Nothing wrong with a skip!
 
markfiend said:
I just got a new PB of 32.50 woot! It was a bit of a fluke though, after the first two blocks, the corners were one of the H algs I've learned, so I didn't need to do a second look at the corners. And after that, all edges were correctly permuted and the UL & UR edges were in the right place - not quite a L6E skip, but close.
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Nice! :DDDD
 
Well after trying Roux more seriously for the past few weeks, I'm back with some thoughts.

Roux is definitely an interesting method. Block building is certainly more difficult than F2L CFOP both conceptually and ergonomically, and in my opinion, it's harder to understand and execute especially for beginners. But despite that, it's a fun method and I can see it's appeal.

However, there's one thing that my personal experience showed me. There's just something about Roux that feels "off". I can't explain it, but it's there. CFOP feels more natural and flows more smoothly than Roux for me. When I do CFOP solves things fall into place more easily and with greater clarity, whereas with Roux I constantly feel bumps and resistance to solving fast. Perhaps it has to do with blockbuilding or the heavy reliance on M-slices, but that was my sensation while solving with Roux.

But I appreciate Roux for what it is. A fun and sexy way of solving the cube, and I must admit, I enjoy doing Roux solves and learning it was a breath of fresh air. But for me, I love CFOP more and it suits me better. There's more resources for it, it flows more smoothly for me, it's easier to understand and it feels more natural to me.
 
Artic said:
Well after trying Roux more seriously for the past few weeks, I'm back with some thoughts.

Roux is definitely an interesting method. Block building is certainly more difficult than F2L CFOP both conceptually and ergonomically, and in my opinion, it's harder to understand and execute especially for beginners. But despite that, it's a fun method and I can see it's appeal.

However, there's one thing that my personal experience showed me. There's just something about Roux that feels "off". I can't explain it, but it's there. CFOP feels more natural and flows more smoothly than Roux for me. When I do CFOP solves things fall into place more easily and with greater clarity, whereas with Roux I constantly feel bumps and resistance to solving fast. Perhaps it has to do with blockbuilding or the heavy reliance on M-slices, but that was my sensation while solving with Roux.

But I appreciate Roux for what it is. A fun and sexy way of solving the cube, and I must admit, I enjoy doing Roux solves and learning it was a breath of fresh air. But for me, I love CFOP more and it suits me better. There's more resources for it, it flows more smoothly for me, it's easier to understand and it feels more natural to me.
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Awesome c:
 
Artic said:
There's just something about Roux that feels "off". I can't explain it, but it's there. CFOP feels more natural and flows more smoothly than Roux for me.
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That's probably because you have much more practice with CFOP. I've done over 2000 solves with CFOP since I switched (my Big Cubes 3x3 stage sucked, I'm switching back when I'm fast enough at 3x3 stage), and yet it still doesn't feel as natural as Roux to me.
 
Artic said:
Well after trying Roux more seriously for the past few weeks, I'm back with some thoughts.

Roux is definitely an interesting method. Block building is certainly more difficult than F2L CFOP both conceptually and ergonomically, and in my opinion, it's harder to understand and execute especially for beginners. But despite that, it's a fun method and I can see it's appeal.

However, there's one thing that my personal experience showed me. There's just something about Roux that feels "off". I can't explain it, but it's there. CFOP feels more natural and flows more smoothly than Roux for me. When I do CFOP solves things fall into place more easily and with greater clarity, whereas with Roux I constantly feel bumps and resistance to solving fast. Perhaps it has to do with blockbuilding or the heavy reliance on M-slices, but that was my sensation while solving with Roux.

But I appreciate Roux for what it is. A fun and sexy way of solving the cube, and I must admit, I enjoy doing Roux solves and learning it was a breath of fresh air. But for me, I love CFOP more and it suits me better. There's more resources for it, it flows more smoothly for me, it's easier to understand and it feels more natural to me.
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As supercavitation said, this is just because you need to practise more. It's not going to feel natural if you've not been practising for two years, like you have been with CFOP. Roux is only just starting to become more natural for me after over three months of using it as a main method, and I know I'm still not very good at it.

Also, you can't say that it would be harder to learn for a beginner; you aren't a beginner, and would find it almost impossible to confidently and accurately guess what parts of it you would find hard as a non-cuber.
 
TDM said:
As supercavitation said, this is just because you need to practise more. It's not going to feel natural if you've not been practising for two years, like you have been with CFOP. Roux is only just starting to become more natural for me after over three months of using it as a main method, and I know I'm still not very good at it.

Also, you can't say that it would be harder to learn for a beginner; you aren't a beginner, and would find it almost impossible to confidently and accurately guess what parts of it you would find hard as a non-cuber.
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CFOP felt more natural to me even when I was a beginner. I recall being aware of where the pieces were and needed to go, but I wasn't as capable in my F2L as I am now. But still, I remember my progression was smooth and the concepts all fell into place more naturally. Roux solves strike me as offering more resistance to solving fast. Again, I can't explain it and it's just a personal thing. But for those that like Roux, well....I guess that's good for you guys :)
 
Artic said:
CFOP felt more natural to me even when I was a beginner. I recall being aware of where the pieces were and needed to go, but I wasn't as capable in my F2L as I am now. But still, I remember my progression was smooth and the concepts all fell into place more naturally. Roux solves strike me as offering more resistance to solving fast. Again, I can't explain it and it's just a personal thing. But for those that like Roux, well....I guess that's good for you guys :)
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When you first started, you didn't have a method you were used to using, so learning a method would have been easier than it is now, similar to how it's easier to be colour neutral if you start early.
 
Artic said:
However, there's one thing that my personal experience showed me. There's just something about Roux that feels "off". I can't explain it, but it's there. CFOP feels more natural and flows more smoothly than Roux for me. When I do CFOP solves things fall into place more easily and with greater clarity, whereas with Roux I constantly feel bumps and resistance to solving fast. Perhaps it has to do with blockbuilding or the heavy reliance on M-slices, but that was my sensation while solving with Roux.
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Probably its because CFOP is a little step from the wide-known LBL beginner's method.
I found it difficult to change from LBL to Roux (I didnt understand EO so after F2B I filled in the M slice to complete F2L), but once I understood what the method is of, Im getting better and better with roux.
 
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