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xyzzy

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cmll: I'm just using 2 look, is that good enough for sub 20? I don't feel like full cmll is worth it because I'm still going to main cfop, would learning coll be better than 2 look cmll?
(Disclaimer: I'm much slower at Roux than the other big four methods.) COLL is better than 2-look CMLL and it also helps in your CFOP solves, but there are a couple of CLL cases that are way better when you don't have to care about EO, like F R U R' U' F'. (You'll probably figure out which CMLL-specific algs are worth learning as you get through COLL; bad COLL algs sometimes get a bit better when you can destroy EO.)
 

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I'm practicing Roux, I average about 22 seconds, and I know I really need to improve my FB. Here's a time list for a FB average of 12:
avg of 12: 5.64
Time List:
1. (1.73)
2. 3.79
3. 4.80
4. 6.68
5. 5.46
6. 7.65
7. 7.12
8. 5.47
9. 5.83
10. (14.45)
11. 3.91
12. 5.65

and the move count list, respectively:
7
11
13
13
10
14
8
16
12
12
10
8

What First Block move count should I shoot for getting under every solve? I can do any first block as long as white or yellow is on the bottom (is this x2 y neutral?)
 
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I'm practicing Roux, I average about 22 seconds, and I know I really need to improve my FB. Here's a time list for a FB average of 12:
avg of 12: 5.64
Time List:
1. (1.73)
2. 3.79
3. 4.80
4. 6.68
5. 5.46
6. 7.65
7. 7.12
8. 5.47
9. 5.83
10. (14.45)
11. 3.91
12. 5.65

and the move count list, respectively:
7
11
13
13
10
14
8
16
12
12
10
8

What First Block move count should I shoot for getting under every solve? I can do any first block as long as white or yellow is on the bottom (is this x2 y neutral?)
Try to get your first block done in under 4 seconds. Splits for sub-20 should be around 4-6-4-6 or similar. Yeah that's called white/yellow neutrality. I see that some of your first blocks are fairly inefficient, so I suggest using the block trainer to improve efficiency. You should aim for a movecount that is under 10 every time.
 

Aerma

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Try to get your first block done in under 4 seconds. Splits for sub-20 should be around 4-6-4-6 or similar. Yeah that's called white/yellow neutrality. I see that some of your first blocks are fairly inefficient, so I suggest using the block trainer to improve efficiency. You should aim for a movecount that is under 10 every time.
Awesome, thanks! Your sub-20 guide video was pretty helpful too :)
 

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What algorithm sets are there other than EOLR and CMLL in Roux that I could eventually learn to get faster? I know TCMLL's a thing too but I'm not sure how good that actually is.
 

TDM

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What algorithm sets are there other than EOLR and CMLL in Roux that I could eventually learn to get faster? I know TCMLL's a thing too but I'm not sure how good that actually is.
You can learn SB algs. Most people do simple solutions to the square, but if you learned some tricky cases algorithmically, it could save a few moves.

I started compiling some SB algs a while ago but didn't spend more than one evening on it. I intend to come back to it at some point, but it won't be for a while.
 

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Finally doing something I've meant to try for the last year and a half: learn Roux. I just picked up LSE this afternoon so I can actually do complete Roux solves without any CFOP sneaking in. Averaging 40ish after about 50 LSE solves and 30 full solves, it will be interesting to see how fast I progress given that I already can fingertrick and am used to learning algs. This should be a fun experiment. Thanks PDF for making sure there's Roux resources on Youtube :D
 
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Might as well post here as well. I finally got the point where it feels the benefits of switching to Roux have paid off.

I got a sub 14 ao50 and a PB OH single, 14.669, all with Roux.

This all sprung off this post I made almost a year ago. Major shoutouts to TDM for keeping me motivated.

My only regrets are that I didn't switch years earlier haha.
 

Oatch

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What should I work on most? I average around 30-35 seconds
One thing in particular that stuck out to me is that you had a lengthy pause for CMLL recognition. Since 2-look CMLL doesn't have that many algs the low case number should make your recognition almost instant. I'd recommend working on improving this, or maybe revamping your recognition method altogether.
 

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when I transitioned from CFOP I use L/R White/Yellow colour scheme(like Gilles Color scheme)
with y2 neutrality to break cfop habits easier. Anyone else use this scheme
 

aNub

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I tried roux and i really enjoyed the freedom of the blockbuilding. Would it be a stupid idea to replace F2L with that? If I would just build the blocks, and then rest of the F2L with U and M moves? Then just regular OLL and PLL. I tried that a few times and it was fun. Should I keep practising it or should I stop and choose either of them?
 

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Personally, I'd feel that if you have a really good grasp at building the first two blocks, then arguably you should just finish with regular Roux using CMLL + LSE, since it's much more efficient than building the rest of cross + OLL + PLL. Most people starting out with Roux say that F2B is the hardest step to wrap their head around, so you would already have a massive leg up in that regard.

If you insist on a CFOP-y finish of 'traditional' last layer with OLL + PLL, maybe don't strictly lock yourself into doing F2B as with the Roux method all the time, but instead look into a more FreeFOP style solution to F2L to utilise your blockbuilding skills. Maybe even something in the style of Petrus might be interesting and useful for your style of solving, because that is heavily reliant on blockbuilding (and you don't strictly have to do EO either). Keep experimenting and see what you like!

TL;DR: I recommend you stick with a 'regular' Roux finish after Roux F2B. However, you may also like to try FreeFOP to maximise the amount of blockbuilding you do.
 

aNub

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I'm having a problem. I've been using CFOP for a few months now. I gave Roux a try and I really enjoyed it. I'm constantly getting better at CFOP but also getting bored. I got to sub-30 seconds within (approximately) 70 days. Should I start using Roux as my main, considering I love the method? Is it harder to get to sub30 than with CFOP? Is it harder to get to sub20? Sub15? I will start using Roux if it's as easy to get faster with as CFOP. But if not, then I will have to get some motivation to keep doing CFOP.
 
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