One-Answer 3x3 Roux Question Thread

[Boneless]

Is Roux a good speedsolving method for intuition and no algorithms? I'm really good at things like F2L but it took me weeks to memorize the Friedrich last layer algorithms.

 

[PurpleBanana]

Is Roux a good speedsolving method for intuition and no algorithms? I'm really good at things like F2L but it took me weeks to memorize the Friedrich last layer algorithms.

If you already know the CFOP last layer algorithms then why would you switch to a method which requires you to learn more algorithms, if your goal is to avoid algorithms?

 

[shadowslice e]

Is Roux a good speedsolving method for intuition and no algorithms? I'm really good at things like F2L but it took me weeks to memorize the Friedrich last layer algorithms.

It's probably the best there is. You'll need to learn CMLL at sone point though if you want to get fast though 2-look is good enough to start with.

If you already know the CFOP last layer algorithms then why would you switch to a method which requires you to learn more algorithms, if your goal is to avoid algorithms?

Because he couldend up faster with another method? That's TDM's logic.

 

[Boneless]

If you already know the CFOP last layer algorithms then why would you switch to a method which requires you to learn more algorithms, if your goal is to avoid algorithms?

I only know the 4 or so beginner's method algorithms, so it's not like I'm discarding all of the one look OLL/PLL algorithms.

 

[PurpleBanana]

I only know the 4 or so beginner's method algorithms, so it's not like I'm discarding all of the one look OLL/PLL algorithms.

Oh, I see. Well, Roux uses algorithms as well. There isn't really any method which doesn't. You can solve the cube with a beginner's method using only 4 algorithms, but if you want to solve faster you are going to have to learn a more advanced method and that will in turn require the memorization of more algs. There isn't any getting around it.

 

[shadowslice e]

I only know the 4 or so beginner's method algorithms, so it's not like I'm discarding all of the one look OLL/PLL algorithms.

Oh, I see. Well, Roux uses algorithms as well. There isn't really any method which doesn't. You can solve the cube with a beginner's method using only 4 algorithms, but if you want to solve faster you are going to have to learn a more advanced method and that will in turn require the memorization of more algs. There isn't any getting around it.

Well, if you don't mind taking a smaller risk for potentially very big gains you could try SSC which uses only 32 algs in the full method.

 

[PurpleBanana]

Well, if you don't mind taking a smaller risk for potentially very big gains you could try SSC which uses only 32 algs in the full method.

CFOP 3LLL only uses 31 so the OP might as well learn that.

 

[shadowslice e]

CFOP 3LLL only uses 31 so the OP might as well learn that.

Yeah but that's far less efficient and not the full method. May as well learn roux with 2-look CMLL which has 8 algs.

 

[PurpleBanana]

Yeah but that's far less efficient and not the full method. May as well learn roux with 2-look CMLL which has 8 algs.

The second two steps of the CFOP 3LLL form the LL of Petrus and ZZ, so that's another option.

The bottom line is that if you want to learn a full method there is no avoiding learning algorithms, and the sooner you start learning them the easier it will become.

 

[Boneless]

Yeah but that's far less efficient and not the full method. May as well learn roux with 2-look CMLL which has 8 algs.

How many algs are in 1-look CMLL?

 

[GuRoux]

How many algs are in 1-look CMLL?

42 algs.

 

[DoctorKilgrave]

I'm running the risk of getting blasted by the community for asking this. I've been casually searching the forums, and haven't found a real answer. Is there a specific cube that Roux cubers prefer? I'm going to graduate to a better cube soon. (From the Rubik's brand, and a V3 Cube.)

Right now, I'm leaning towards the MoYu HuaLong. Seems to be a pretty solid cube choice.

 

[h2f]

Yes there are but Im not sure which one are in the top right now. Roux solvers often like loose cubes with easy M slice move.

 

[Eduard Khil]

I'm running the risk of getting blasted by the community for asking this. I've been casually searching the forums, and haven't found a real answer. Is there a specific cube that Roux cubers prefer? I'm going to graduate to a better cube soon. (From the Rubik's brand, and a V3 Cube.)

Right now, I'm leaning towards the MoYu HuaLong. Seems to be a pretty solid cube choice.

Actually any speedcube would be good for roux,
Top picks include the Weilong, Aolong V2, Guhong V2, Guangying, Shuangren V2, Gans 357/356, Hualong, Tanglong, Yuxin Kylin, Yuexiao, Yueying, Meiying, etc (Thats basically a list of all the top cubes in the market)

IMO the Yuexiao, Yuxin, Weilong has the best slice turns out there
anyway skill is more important than hardware; though hardware is still necessary. There is a vid of Alex Lau solving a Rubiks brand straight out of the box in 17 sec

 

[DoctorKilgrave]

I got the stickerless Moyo Hualong, and it's amazing.

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[Sion]

I want to use roux, but I have a problem.

While I am decent at intuitive block building, I am terrible at intuitive orienting and permuting, so for that, I am learning PCMS, an advanced columns method. But I am going to use F2B instead of solving four f2l pairs, which would result in Y rotations.

I was wondering if I could use something like l5eop instead of lse, since l5eop solves similar to lse, but it is algorithm based.

Heres the breakdown of how I will solve for a speedcube method

F2B+BD edge
CMSLL (same as CMLL, but with some r moves replacing R moves to preserve the BD Edge)
L5EOP
EPLL
Does this sound efficient?

 

[deadcat]

Complete beginner here, using Waffo's tutorial. I understand that planning FB before execution is beneficial due to the inspection time, and probably just good to practice in general.
But is it also beneficial at my stage to plan SB before execution? Or should I just do whatever I see at that point?
Getting kinda conflicting info about that from Waffo's site and Gilles Roux's site.

 

[h2f]

If you are bd eginner it's enough to plan square and track to other pieces. If you are deeper in roux you can plan more - whole fb. Sometimes if fb is easy (let say 2-3 moves) you can plan part of sb like pair and edge. Etc.

 

[deadcat]

Yeah, I learned from Waffo's site. Most of his algs are outdated, but I found it helpful for LSE.

Where can I find up to date algs?

 

[h2f]

Where can I find up to date algs?

In TDM's signature for example.