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[Spacey10]

I know

But EOs weird F and B moves adds more rotations to ZZ

 

[PetraPine]

R U F cfop is what Most people use for cfop OH because the effieciency and less rotations make up for the worse finger tricks
also doing like two f moves the whole solve is way better than how many are in a cfop solve with R U F
and R U cfop is just bad

 

[Spacey10]

R U F cfop is what Most people use for cfop OH because the effieciency and less rotations make up for the worse finger tricks

Ik, but you can just rotate to put those slots in, there are usually 2 F moves in a CFOP solve (F2L only) which cam be lowered to a rotation and RU gen

 

[PetraPine]

rotations are worse than f moves
you know that right?

 

[Spacey10]

rotations are worse than f moves
you know that right?

Yes, but ZZs F and B moves are scattered throughout EO, so you would have to do RU gen, then rotate to do the F moves, then rotate back to normal to do more RU gen, then rotate again to do the B moves etc etc. ZZ is a good method, Phil Yu proven, but the EO messes it up

 

[PetraPine]

oh ya,
also Wide moves for backinserts which is way better than rotations.
i dont get why you think rotating into R U gen and having to adjust your´e grip that many times is a good idea...

 

[Spacey10]

oh ya,
also Wide moves for backinserts which is way better than rotations.
i dont get why you think rotating into R U gen and having to adjust your´e grip that many times is a good idea...

How do you do a wide F move from home grips in OH?

 

[PetraPine]

R U into L U isnt A true Rotation IMO
your`e only swapping to fingers compared to other rotations.
also CFOP is R U F L
Not R U F doing a whole rotation is not worth it instead of just doing a lefty pair

wide f move????
we were talking about Swapping fingers to do L Moves versus f moves or rotations

 

[Spacey10]

R U into L U isnt A true Rotation IMO
your`e only swapping to fingers compared to other rotations.
also CFOP is R U F L
Not R U F doing a whole rotation is not worth it instead of just doing a lefty pair

I'm sorta new to OH, but how the heck do you do a LU insert from home grips
Ninjad

 

[PetraPine]

YOU DONT
You swap to fingers to make it actaully like R U.
Thats what i said.....
I didnt say home grip.
but its way better than a full rotation or an F move

 

[Spacey10]

YOU DONT
You swap to fingers to make it actaully like R U.
Thats what i said.....
I didnt say home grip.
but its way better than a full rotation or an F move

But ZZs EO cancels out the F moves in CFOP!

 

[PetraPine]

?
Did i say that it didnt?????
what?
that has nothing to do with what i said in that post

 

[Spacey10]

?
Did i say that it didnt?????
what?
that has nothing to do with what i said in that post

Oh well I started talking about something else lol let's just end this my eyes hurt and it's hard to type on phone
CFOP and ZZ both are good OH methods, but it depends on the person. The pros for each method is that CFOP has easy on rotations and you can reach higher tps, where as for ZZ you can reduce the cube to RUL gen. The cons are for CFOP is that you have to rotate for front slots and for ZZ you have to use F and B moves for EO
(Everything is only for F2L, LL is for later)

 

[PetraPine]

I like how Owen comes through all my post with eyes up,
even the one that had nothing to do with the discussion
instead of actually having a good argument

 

[Owen Morrison]

I like how Owen comes through all my post with eyes up,
even the one that had nothing to do with the discussion
instead of actually having a good argument

I reacted with eyes up to the posts I thought were dumb.

 

[PetraPine]

Instead of saying
there DuMB
Can you just explain youre thought process instead of letting someone else argue for you?
Like you say there dumb but you dont say why

 

[Username: Username:]

But you can do rotations in CFOP too, OH ZZ takes two rotations, CFOP of 2 handed takes approx 1 in sub 10 solvers, when turning that into OH, let's say only RU gen for F2L, it adds about, meh, 2 rotations. This barely slows down your time, and what about ZZ EO? It sometimes involves B moves, which adds more rotations, technically making ZZ have the same amount of rotations as ZZ. Ok, I know that a lot of CFOP OLLs and PLLs have F and D moves, but I'm talking about F2L so hear me out. When you are doing EO, the EO could have B and F moves scattered throughout, so let's say your EO looked like this: F' R' U2 R2 B' R F. Does this mean you will have to rotate ALMOST (I said almost) everytime you want to do B of F moves? Doesn't this make ZZ somehow have MORE rotations than CFOP?
ZZ is good for OH, but CFOP is better

Bruh, just git gud at B and F moves, that's literally the reason Roux OH solvers don't rotate too (yes, FB and SB have B and F moves, it's true.)

 

[PetraPine]

FB AND SB have F B and Wide Moves and Some M moves,
But because of effieciency the method is still really good for oh,
Look at ZZ v Cfop,
Theres Less rotations and F B moves AND its more efficient.
this is my argument trying to explain why i think ZZ is a good method for OH
Edit: and he puts a meh on this one lol

 

[Username: Username:]

FB AND SB have F B and Wide Moves and Some M moves,
But because of effieciency the method is still really good for oh,
Look at ZZ v Cfop,
Theres Less rotations and F B moves AND its more efficient.
this is my argument trying to explain why i think ZZ is a good method for OH
Edit: and he puts a meh on this one lol

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[BenChristman1]

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