Dayan vs. V-Cube Patent Infringement

[OzBluey]

I always thought the GuHong looked similar, but looking at the plans/drawings for the 3x3 they look nothing alike....

I mean sure, if there was a V-Cube 3, and sales were being lost over a cheaper, but just as good 3x3, the GuHong, I would fully support Verdes, but seeing as he doesn't have a mass produced version, my only question is WHY?!?!?

So if I were Verdes, I would seriously consider spending more time producing the rest of the V-Cube Family, and stop wasting time on this sort of stuff...

 

[Stefan]

Looking at my lingyun cube, I can't see any sort of funnel or "cone" shape at all.

Guess I finally have to get one, didn't know how it looks...

Maybe they're not attacking the LingYun. Lubix/Izovire were only guessing about that one, could be only the GuHong. And I'd say the LingYun demonstrates that Dayan's main idea besides lots of rounding is the small inner sphere, and the GuHong's outer cones rather are an unnecessary consequence than a copied main feature.

 

[cuber576]

So if I were Verdes, I would seriously consider spending more time producing the rest of the V-Cube Family, and stop wasting time on this sort of stuff...

Exactly, rather than spending lawyers to sue and ban guhongs, they rather complete their v cube family. At this rate who knows maybe even a 2x2 will be produced. lol

If they want to ban the guhong, at least produce the V-cube 3 before making a fuss about the guhong. I don't own a guhong so I'm not sure whether the guhong and v-cube 3 are similar. Although they have the rights to ban any cube that is similar to their v-cubes but as a responsible company they should produce theirs first otherwise it's like starving the cubers if their rights to get the best cube

 

[Cyrus C.]

They haven't produced a V Cube 3 yet, let's boycott them. Surely that will help them make prototypes and release the cube quicker.

 

[Zubon]

If all of this turns out to be true and v-cubes really are going after the Guhong, I am not happy.

I bought the v-cubes 5, 6 and 7 as soon as they came out. I've been waiting for their higher order cubes for a long time now.

Because of v-cubes behavior, I think I just might buy a cheaper knockoff higher order cube next time I am in China or Hong Kong...

 

[Zarxrax]

Guess I finally have to get one, didn't know how it looks...

Well, its the exact same design as the guhong I believe, just has some tracks added.
In any case, I can see that there is an indention towards the center, but its not an obvious funnel shape. The pieces are all rounded, so its going up and down, up and down; not sloping inward...

 

[Fire Cuber]

I don't think that V things will make a V-3 either. Look back at the Maru 4x4 which even not mass produced 3 month (i think?) after it was banned.

 

[Jukuren]

Insert hate mail here
lol

 

[EricReese]

Insert hate mail here
lol

Done.

lol

 

[Whyusosrs?]

This is rediculas what v-cube is doing. It was ok for v-cubes to claim the maru was a KO but the gu hung?.... really. There shouldnt be patiants for 3x3 because there all really simalar to the rubix brand anyway. If v-cube does get rid of the GuHungs they need to realise there v3 at the same quality as dayan did. Its just starting to turn into a messed up monopoly with mefferts and v-cubes as complete allies, I would be ok with this if they didnt have such high prices. For example, the 5x5 cost 25$ 6x6 35 and 7x7 45. Where as YJ has made direct copies of Verdes' cubes and sells them for about half the v-cube price and there as good if not better. So if v-cubes does start cracking down on the KO companies, they need to release the products that there taking off the market. Didnt v-cubes announce there V2 though V11 like a full year ago? They shouldnt have done that untill they were much nearer to the time of finishing the cubes. Were as with Mefferts and most recent announcement, they are going to release it this december, the did the right thing in releasing it soon after announced.

Your 'enter' button is not a random key. It's actually used to put space between paragraphs. Secondly, learn to capitalize properly and stop putting, unneeded comments. Finally, it's Guhong, not GuHung(s).

You've shown your ignorance of the patent system. Please refrain from posting anything more about patents.

*snickers* I love this post.

Store owners should be making cubes for the good of the community, not the profit.

Funny man. I'll make a US based website selling cubes the same price as lightake with free shipping. I like to do tons of work for free.

I feel some positive vibes coming from this thread. Keep those positive vibes coming at me, SS.

 

[HavoCentral]

I seriously think V-Cube needs to release puzzles, and then if other cubes are doing better, try something it they have probable cause.
But the maru stayed illegal because its obviously based on the V4 even though a lot was changed,
If there is a person or committee or whatever that reviews these infringement claims, hopefully they will side with dayan.
I was about to get a guhong, since i heard it pops less than the lingyun, and i got a lingyun right after it came out, since it was hyped to have less popping.
Now I am disappointing.
Im surprised that V-Cube lets other sites sell their cubes, instead of hogging the Vs to themselves.

And I forgot who or how many pages back, but some one mentiion V-Cube going after alphas.
Cameron has a vid on youtube that sayd something like verdes told him all his cubes were infringing or something like that. youd have to watch the video. But he did mention the Av specifically.
When was the Av first released? was it before or after the Verdes patent filing?

EDIT: Video

also in the video, he says that V cube is claiming that the guhong and lingyuns corners are infringing on the corners of the V5

 

[prostx23]

Something is lost on me here. If Verdes really believes that he has a legit claim of patent infringement, shouldn't he be going after the DaYan company rather than some small Ebay dealers? If he isn't, then it really does seem like petty retailer bullying to me.

Mike

 

[swanny]

Verdes is just losing customers
instead of going after dayan, he should just get on with making his own 3x3

 

[avgdi]

I seriously think V-Cube needs to release puzzles, and then if other cubes are doing better, try something it they have probable cause.
But the maru stayed illegal because its obviously based on the V4 even though a lot was changed,
If there is a person or committee or whatever that reviews these infringement claims, hopefully they will side with dayan.
I was about to get a guhong, since i heard it pops less than the lingyun, and i got a lingyun right after it came out, since it was hyped to have less popping.
Now I am disappointing.
Im surprised that V-Cube lets other sites sell their cubes, instead of hogging the Vs to themselves.

And I forgot who or how many pages back, but some one mentiion V-Cube going after alphas.
Cameron has a vid on youtube that sayd something like verdes told him all his cubes were infringing or something like that. youd have to watch the video. But he did mention the Av specifically.
When was the Av first released? was it before or after the Verdes patent filing?

EDIT: Video

also in the video, he says that V cube is claiming that the guhong and lingyuns corners are infringing on the corners of the V5

The AV was released sometime last year. Verdes got there patent in 2005 I think.

 

[Zarxrax]

Something is lost on me here. If Verdes really believes that he has a legit claim of patent infringement, shouldn't he be going after the DaYan company rather than some small Ebay dealers? If he isn't, then it really does seem like petty retailer bullying to me.

Mike

This is a very good point, but as far as we know, he could have contacted the dayan company already. We dont have that information yet.

 

[Daniel Wu]

There seems to be too much information that's unknown. But based on what is known, Verdes is making a bad move by making their main consumers angry.

 

[avgdi]

Today is the first day of this incident. Although I too am not happy with Verdes, I am going to wait it out a little and see if more information will be released.

 

[cannon4747]

its doesn't even make sense!

the v3 i admit if you don't hollow out the foot that hooks into the other pieces, and you shorten the corner stalk, and you don't have a slight concave curve on the edges of the corner it looks a little like a v-cube but not enough to infringe them. but they say it infringes because it looks a little like the v5 corner? really? there not even the same KIND of puzzle let alone use a similar mechanism! and in addition to that i'm sure that they're taking this to some sort of judge and the judge's opinion/thought process is exactly as follows: "okay whats this one about? oh! rubiks cubes? i never could figure those out, i used to peel off the stickers and put them back on! so its a patent infringement is it? (i don't understand how this thing works? he thinks as he reads the v5 mech) whatever, it doesn't matter its just a rubiks cube. if it turns then whats ur problem?" if thats it then i just want to scream at v-cubes! and i'm not even a store owner!! my only hope is that im getting a lingyun for christmas so that ill have that. now im gonna go buy a shengshou 4x4 before v-cube declares patent infringement on that too:fp

 

[prostx23]

This is a very good point, but as far as we know, he could have contacted the dayan company already. We dont have that information yet.

It's certainly possible that he has gone after them. It would be helpful, not to mention polite, to simply inform the retailers that they have attacked of this detail. I'll be interested to see how this all shakes out.

 

[qqwref]

They haven't produced a V Cube 3 yet, let's boycott them. Surely that will help them make prototypes and release the cube quicker.

IIRC the V-cube company has said several times that they don't want/need any kind of donations to help move the cube process along. So I get the impression that they are moving at their own rate, and waiting for a stable safe time to release new cubes.

Unfortunately, as is the nature of things in a community with dozens of puzzle ideas and thousands of people who want to buy them, it will always get less and less easy to produce new things. Wait long enough and some Chinese company will either outright copy your idea, or come out with an alternative that is equal or better. The only way to guarantee to do well is to produce things while they are still fresh and amazing.