Dayan vs. V-Cube Patent Infringement

[maggot]

from the vcube website:
This invention is fully understood by anyone who has a good knowledge of visual geometry. For that reason, there is an analytic description of figures from 2 to 11 accompanying the present invention and proving that:
a) The invention is a unified inventive body.
b) The invention improves the cubes manufactured, thus far in several ways and by several cube inventors, that is the 2x2x2, 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 cubes.
c) The classic and functioning without problems Rubik cube, i.e. the 3x3x3 cube, is included in that invention with some minor modifications.
d) It expands for the first time worldwide, from what we know up to now, the logic toys series of substantially cubic shape up to the number No 11, i.e. the cube with 11 different layers per direction.


please note c) where the example given expresses 'minor modifications' to 'classic and fuctioning' 'rubik cube'.
and also b) 'improves cubes manufactured' 'by many cube inventors' of '2x2 4x4 and 5x5 cubes' 'thus far'

and im not trying to paraphrase to convey a different meaning here, but it seems like to me that these statements validate that he has let people produce cubes similar to his design 'thus far' and that his 3x3 patent is a minor modification to a already expired patent.

edit: for someone that posted something about ethics, how about the integrity of the words coming out of your mouth? does that consititute being unethical?

 

[Stefan]

Good point, them admitting that Rubik's 3x3x3 has no problems and that they only did "minor" modifications. And then they claim someone else doing even smaller/different modifications of Rubik's patent violates theirs? :confused:

You're misreading both b) (he's just claiming his are better than the previous) and c) (it's not an example, it's precisely covering the Rubik's cube), though. And please somehow mark the quoted part (put it in a quote tag or italics or so).

 

[Dene]

Cones.

Hmm yes this was something I noticed about the Guhong. When I first saw it I thought "olook it has the same conic structure as the V-cubes".

 

[tacgnol]

If someone (Pantazis, Konstantinos, Panigiotis, etc.) would explain the reason for the infringement claim, maybe people wouldn't be as mad. All we want is answers. Dodging the question with irrelevant posts just makes it worse. If you have a reason, make it public. If not, back off on the claim, and if the companies desire it, pay for any damages to their market. What I personally want is a statement, similar to the one I made, stating the 'similarities' that make this an infringement of patents.This is in the interest of Vcubes. All you (vcubes) are doing is hurting your own market, and losing respect.

 

[HavoCentral]

I think V-Cubes is trying to monopolize cubing

Cones.

Do not own any V-Cubes or seen one up close, so this may be a noob question. and after following the link in the below post, im still stumped.

what are the cones?

 

[oprah62]

Everyone who says " I'm set! I have 2 guhongs,etc."
Those won't last you forever. For now, I'm only practicing with a set cube, saving the good dayans.

 

[EricReese]

Meh. I only use Guhongs for OH. And I can only practice so much OH a day. I should be set for a couple months. If not I can find another OH cube by then. Considering I'll be getting it in the mail tomorrow finally.

I'm sure by a couple months passing a good replacement cube will come on the market..hopefully...

Good thing I use Haiyan memory modded cube for 2h.

 

[TheMachanga]

I think V-Cubes is trying to monopolize cubing



Do not own any V-Cubes or seen one up close, so this may be a noob question. and after following the link in the below post, im still stumped
what are the cones?

See post #127 of this thread.

 

[sub_zero1983]

Personally I think this was a dumb thing for the V-cube company to do. Seem's like they are going after everything thats not a V-cube and say its a knock off of one of their puzzle's. Whats next? Rubik's brand 2x2' through 5x5's?

 

[TheMachanga]

Personally I think this was a dumb thing for the V-cube company to do. Seem's like they are going after everything thats not a V-cube and say its a knock off of one of their puzzle's. Whats next? Rubik's brand 2x2' through 5x5's?

No, because they don't go against their patent...

 

[maggot]

with the poor english that is used in statement b), how are you supposed to convey it as anything other than the overall improvement of the designs of the puzzle by many 'cube inventors' (as in cube companies who constantly release new cube designs i.e. alpha, dayan, type f)
and statement c) yes, you are correct about it conveying a modification of their higher order cubes, however, is this not just a modification of a rubiks cube? it is not a significant design change from the original puzzle design. even the visuals from the patent show it is not a significant design change... sure, in higher order puzzles... but do you agree with the 3x3 design?

in reply to dene, when i first saw my guhong, i thought "wow, thats clever that they designed the corner to go in further. that way if i pop an edge out somehow, the corner is still grabbing on to the core on the inside.."

if you think of the designed based upon that inspiration (which now to me seems kind of far fetched). but, in all actuality, if you do pop a guhong, typically its just an edge that falls out. this makes fixing pops mid-solve save precious seconds. having to pop back in a corner and an edge versus just an edge can ruin a good average. and even worse, sometimes you get explosive pops. i recall many a times popping my orginal type C and having to pick up 2 corners and 2 edges off the floor. . .

 

[asportking]

Doesn't the v-cube company have anything better to do than this, like making new cubes maybe?

 

[BigSams]

@ maggot, can't you write shorter posts? Takes so long to read 'em.

 

[maggot]

yes. please excuse the lengthy posts.

 

[souljahsu]

Seriously...I'm not going to get the V-cube 7 now.

Btw, maru 4x4s are still available for purchase if you send an e-mail to maru.

 

[maggot]

i also want to comment on the xcube. even if it is or isnt an infringement, maybe he should reconsider finding a seller? since we know tk is about the community, maybe we can get a decent 4x4 without worries of him getting trampled over extremely petty garbage acusations.

 

[Stefan]

with the poor english that is used in statement b), how are you supposed to convey it as anything other than the overall improvement of the designs of the puzzle by many 'cube inventors' (as in cube companies who constantly release new cube designs i.e. alpha, dayan, type f)
and statement c) yes, you are correct about it conveying a modification of their higher order cubes, however, is this not just a modification of a rubiks cube? it is not a significant design change from the original puzzle design. even the visuals from the patent show it is not a significant design change... sure, in higher order puzzles... but do you agree with the 3x3 design?

If you want me to reply, try to make sense and not misread so much.

 

[maggot]

If you want me to reply, try to make sense and not misread so much.

in statement b) i was saying that i was correct, and that you were implying that i was wrong about how he let the puzzles quality improve on behalf of his design. even given that it is horrible english.

in statement c) i was saying that you are correct about me misreading the statement. however, the statement saying that their 3x3 design is a modification of their design is bull. its a modification of a 3x3 puzzle, plain and simple. all this cones stuff was his inspiration for higher order cubes and fixing the corner attachment issues, it didnt create a new puzzle. its bogus. hell, he hasnt even "created" anything yet. wheres the vcube 3?

 

[Zarxrax]

Yes, somewhat. The conical surfaces created by that middle stem. Like this:

Looking at my lingyun cube, I can't see any sort of funnel or "cone" shape at all. I mean, there are lots of bumpy "ups and downs" in there, but I see nothing clearly resembling the cone in that image...

 

[Jukuren]

Was planning on getting the Full V-Cube collection soon....
this makes me not want to tho
love my GuHong