[Help Thread] 4x4 Discussion

[~Phoenix Death~]

Edge Paring Part:
If the last two edges seem kiddy corner apart, do L' F U' L F'
after that, they should be directly across each other. Do Dd, R, F', U, R', F, Dd'

parity:
If you want, go basic and learn a minimum of two. The OLL Parity and any other ones. Use PLL to get to the Parity you want to fix. This may increase times a bit though,


1) 2Uu, 2Ll, 2U, 2l, 2U, 2Ll, 2Uu, R, U', L, 2U, R', U, R, L', U', L, 2U, R', U, L', U

2) 2Rr, 2B, 2U, Ll, 2U, Rr', 2U, Rr, 2U, 2F, Rr, 2F, Ll', 2B, 2Rr

3) 2r, 2U, 2r, 2Uu, 2r, 2u

4) 2Uu, 2Ll, 2U, 2l, 2U, 2Ll, 2Uu F', U', F, U, F, R', 2F, U, F, U, F', U', F, R

5) 2r, 2U, 2r, 2Uu, 2r, 2u

Number 2 is the OLL parity.

 

[LNZ]

I'm not a fan of the Dan Brown notation of stating a 180 degree turn.

That's why I used RobH0629's Youtube videos when learning to solve the 4x4 when it came to the last layer and parity.

Examples: 2Uu = (Uu)2, 2r = r2, Ll' = (Ll)', etc

 

[TheCubeMaster5000]

4x4 speedsolving tips!!

I just got a 4x4 speedcube. Every time I try to solve it fast I get around 3:30-4:30. I solve the centers then pair up all of the edges(which takes forever because I have to spend 10 seconds just looking for 2 edges to pair up) and solve normally. I am very much a beginner when it comes to the 4x4 so any tips would be appreciated.

 

[cincyaviation]

learn double edge pairing and look ahead...
really all that is needed

 

[ProfilesRubiks]

And getting faster at the 3x3 would also help.

 

[dillonbladez]

I would go with cincyavation's advice. 3x3, you should already be working on, so that means 4x4 will be more worthwhile to improve.

 

[TheCubeMaster5000]

I practice on the 3x3 almost every day and I have been for quite a while now (several months), so I'm working on stuff like looking ahead and learning more algorithms.

...But what's double edge pairing?

 

[~Phoenix Death~]

Pairing two edges at a time.
Look up RobH0629's tutorial. Edge Pairing advanced.

 

[Daniel Wu]

I practice on the 3x3 almost every day and I have been for quite a while now (several months), so I'm working on stuff like looking ahead and learning more algorithms.

...But what's double edge pairing?

LINKY

 

[Deleted member 4527]

time breakdown? and yeah 2pair is very good.

 

[Akuma]

4x4 OLL Tutorial/Algorithms?

Hey
I'm trying to solve the last layer of the 4x4 using the K4 method and they are a couple of things I do not understand or cannot find info on:

* How do I orient the Last Layer corners? What algorithms?
* How do I orient the edges?
* Is there a 2-look method for the OLL?
* What are commutators? How do they work? How do I preform them? When?

All the tutorials I've seen usually refer to the OLL of the 2x2 when trying to solve the 4x4. I have never owned nor even touched a 2x2 in my entire life so I have absolutely no idea what so ever what they re referring to.

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

Have you visited Kirjava's site to look for this? http://snk.digibase.ca/k4/ it appears that he does it in two separate steps. CLL then ELL, which first orients/permutes corners, then orient/permute edges.

 

[Akuma]

Yes. I did. It says "Solve them in one alg with CLL.".
I have no idea what so ever what CLL is, I never used it I don't know what it is and I have no idea how it is applied to the 4x4.
I wouldn't ask if it wasn't that obvious.

 

[Chapuunka]

[wiki]CLL[/wiki]

 

[uberCuber]

CLL is applied to a 4x4 no differently than a 2x2...no matter what size your cube is, the corners still work the same...look it up on the wiki

 

[Akuma]

CLL is applied to a 4x4 no differently than a 2x2...no matter what size your cube is, the corners still work the same...look it up on the wiki

All the tutorials I've seen usually refer to the OLL of the 2x2 when trying to solve the 4x4. I have never owned nor even touched a 2x2 in my entire life so I have absolutely no idea what so ever what they re referring to.

So basically everyone is telling me that I should know full PLL/OLL for the 2x2 and somehow apply it to the 4x4?
I really don't get it.

 

[uberCuber]

CLL is applied to a 4x4 no differently than a 2x2...no matter what size your cube is, the corners still work the same...look it up on the wiki

All the tutorials I've seen usually refer to the OLL of the 2x2 when trying to solve the 4x4. I have never owned nor even touched a 2x2 in my entire life so I have absolutely no idea what so ever what they re referring to.

So basically everyone is telling me that I should know full PLL/OLL for the 2x2 and somehow apply it to the 4x4?
I really don't get it.

Chapuunka already posted a link to CLL on the wiki..look at it and look at the links at the bottom of the page to find algs for it...

 

[Kirjava]

Why are you trying to do OLL?

 

[Akuma]

I still have absolutely no idea which algorithm I am looking for, what it does nor how to use it on a 4x4.
I mentioned already on 2 occasions that I have no idea how a 2x2 works nor how the algorithmss for the 2x2 is applied to the 4x4.

Is there no simple 2-look OLL method for the 4x4 rather than learning 55+ algorithms for CLL alone?!

How do I solve this case?

What algorithms can I use to solve the last layer?!

 

[waffle=ijm]

For LL, solve for the corners first and then commutators for the edges ...you don't need to orient all of them first >_>