[Help Thread] 2x2 Discussion

[PenguinsDontFly]

Hey, I have a question, so basically I started to learn CLL on 2x2, and I have down the Pi and H sets pretty well. I also know all the Sunes, but I don't have it down as well. I know how to memorize algs and recognize cases, but I don't have any motivation to finish learning it, but I really want to learn full CLL. Help?

just do solves for a week or so and use the algs you know when the cases come up. After that, you will be used to the algs and will be able to comfortably start another set. Try the U set next, its pretty easy (you probably know 2-3 of them already)

 

[DELToS]

just do solves for a week or so and use the algs you know when the cases come up. After that, you will be used to the algs and will be able to comfortably start another set. Try the U set next, its pretty easy (you probably know 2-3 of them already)

Well, I was more asking where to get motivation to learn more algs

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

Well, I was more asking where to get motivation to learn more algs

I get most of my motivation to learn algs from being comfortable with what I know and having spare time. So like I said, do solves for a while until you feel comfortable with what you know then just sit down and learn a few more algs.

 

[FastCubeMaster]

You might not believe it, but Ortega can get you super fast times with practice. I average 3.5-4 seconds with ortega, even though I use CLL now, anyone who thinks that they need to learn a faster method, you can always get better! : D

 

[cuberkid10]

You might not believe it, but Ortega can get you super fast times with practice. I average 3.5-4 seconds with ortega, even though I use CLL now, anyone who thinks that they need to learn a faster method, you can always get better! : D

Yes, I agree. It's a nice stepping stone to learning more 2x2 stuff. It teaches you good techniques. I average low-3 with Ortega and I have an official 2.99 with it as well.

 

[youSurname]

How do people do the x2 rotation for Diag swap on bottom (Ortega)? This is by far my least favourite case and the rotation eats up a fair bit of time.

 

[Deleted member 29232]

Use this alg and cancel into R2 F2 R2
R U' R' U' F2 U' R U R' D R2

its way faster

 

[mark49152]

How do people do the x2 rotation for Diag swap on bottom (Ortega)? This is by far my least favourite case and the rotation eats up a fair bit of time.

Don't rotate - find an alg that swaps on bottom. I just cancel my usual Y-perm into R2 F2 R2 which is long so I won't post it - better algs exist.

 

[mafergut]

Use this alg and cancel into R2 F2 R2
R U' R' U' F2 U' R U R' D R2

its way faster

I'm wanting to change T and Y perm in Ortega for 2x2 specific algs that also can be cancelled into R2 F2 (or B2) R2 and this looks like the best one out there for Y-perm. My only problem is that I'm at the moment faster with Y-perm than with this one (for diag on top). But for diag on bottom I'm almost equally faster (after 5 min of practicing this alg) with alg with cancellation than with z2 + Y-perm.

Should I just adopt both and hope that, for diag on top, even if at the beginning I'm losing like 0.3s, when I get more used to it I'll be faster?

Also, would you recommend to change T-perm as well? Chris Olson has a nice regripless alg in his Ortega/Varasano page for adj. swap on top: R' U R' F2 R F' R' F2 R2
but nothing for adj. swap on bottom.

 

[TDM]

Also, would you recommend to change T-perm as well? Chris Olson has a nice regripless alg in his Ortega/Varasano page for adj. swap on top: R' U R' F2 R F' R' F2 R2
but nothing for adj. swap on bottom.

R2 U' R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2

= [R2 U': L perm]

also,
x U2' R' F' R U2' R' U L' U' L2
x' U2 R' U' R U2' L' U R' U' R2
R U' R' U' F R2 U' R' U R' F' R
R U' R' F' R U2' R' U R' F' R2 U' R'

 

[mafergut]

R2 U' R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2

= [R2 U': L perm]

also,
x U2' R' F' R U2' R' U L' U' L2
x' U2 R' U' R U2' L' U R' U' R2
R U' R' U' F R2 U' R' U R' F' R
R U' R' F' R U2' R' U R' F' R2 U' R'

That 1st alg is really nice!!!!! And also regripless. I have already learned both diag swaps (with the R2 B2 R2 cancellation for diag swap on bottom). Now it's turn to learn both T-perm alternatives. Thanks!

Edit: learned, now some solves to actually let the new algs settle.

 

[mark49152]

Also, would you recommend to change T-perm as well? Chris Olson has a nice regripless alg in his Ortega/Varasano page for adj. swap on top: R' U R' F2 R F' R' F2 R2
but nothing for adj. swap on bottom.

This one can be adapted for all 4 swap cases.
R' U R' F2 R F' R' F2 R2
(R2 U') R' U R' F2 R F' R' F2
R' U R' F2 R F' (U) R' F2 (R F' R)
R' U R' F2 R F' (U) R' F2 (R F' R' F2 R2)

The last one is the diag swap on bottom that I mentioned before - the alg with the D move is shorter, but I just like this one for some reason. It feels good

 

[Aerith]

How do I get faster in 2x2

My times for the last 5 solves were : 15 secs, 16 secs 24 secs 19 secs and 18 secs? right now im using the rubiks 2x2 and I will consider changing it..

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

If you are using the Rubik's 2x2, honestly invest in a better cube and it will cut a good 5 seconds (at least) off of your time within a day of practice. Other than that, learn more algs. You didn't give very much detail, but one thing that would help would be learning a few more algs.

 

[DELToS]

get the TangPo, and learn Ortega (aka Varasano) learn all the required algs, plus some for different angles

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

get the TangPo, and learn Ortega (aka Varasano) learn all the required algs, plus some for different angles

or the dayan but honestly yeah the tangpo is fine [citation needed] and is less expensive, however many of the faztest people in the world use the dayan. [citation needed]

 

[CubePro]

Actually, you don't even need to learn Varasano(Ortega). I got just under 8 secs by using LBL and then learnt Varasano

 

[joshsailscga]

Actually, you don't even need to learn Varasano(Ortega). I got just under 8 secs by using LBL and then learnt Varasano

Basic Varasano is only only 3 algs more than LBL, so there's really no reason not to just go straight to it without wasting more time on LBL.

 

[OLLiver]

Actually, you don't even need to learn Varasano(Ortega). I got just under 8 secs by using LBL and then learnt Varasano

yeah I'm sub 5 with LBL

 

[CubePro]

He's beginner. So he probably doesn't know the Y-Perm or the T-Perm(He can do with the Aa but the T-Perm is much better). So he'll have to learn like 5 algs or even >5 if he wants to learn them from other angles. And IMO Varasano algs are just okay-ish. So it isn't a necessity to learn Varasano at this stage.