[Help Thread] 4x4 Discussion

[TinaIsAwesome]

Hey Guys, I finally learned how to solve a 4x4, but I average 5 minutes and more when I have parity, how can I get faster?

You just learned how to solve a 4x4. Just get comfortable solving it before you worry about speed. Speed comes with time. Your times will improve overtime if you practice but not overnight. Just practice. Once you average around 2:30ish (just an estimate) then you could look into learning an advanced method.

 

[PJKCuber]

The same idea works with reduction. It's just 3-2-2-2-3 then since you have more edges to solve.



You know, if you had put in the tiny effort to search for a beginner's 4x4 tutorial on youtube/google, you would have had this problem solved awhile ago. I suggest you do that now, as a tutorial would solve not only your current question, but also several more that would come up when you get to having to deal with parity.

I don't mean to be arrogant, but youtube tutorials didn't help me.

 

[TDM]

I have a PLL Parity which is like an H perm, but 2 opposite dedges are solved which leaves me with blue and green dedges to solve. Can anybody give me the solution?

Do the RU H perm, but replace the R moves with Rw moves. This swaps the UL and UR dedges.

Spoiler

If you don't know the RU H perm, it's R2 U2 R U2 R2 U2 R2 U2 R U2 R2 (you can replace the Rs with R's). It's very useful to learn for 4x4, and once you know it you can make a PLL parity alg easily:

Rw2 U2 Rw U2 Rw2 U2 Rw2 U2 Rw U2 Rw2
or
Rw2 U2 Rw' U2 Rw2 U2 Rw2 U2 Rw' U2 Rw2

 

[PJKCuber]

Thanks TDM. How can I do r' and l' faster?

 

[Hypocrism]

The last cross edge-what are various ways to do it?

I've always made it like a regular single pair before starting 3-2-2-, but I don't think it's fast!

 

[legitcuber]

Moyu WeiSu Double Layer Turns

Hey guys,
Just got a Moyu Weisu yesterday. The puzzle feels very different from the shengshou. But I was wondering if anyone else was experiencing this? When performing a double layer turn my top layer goes out of alignment or doesn't turn at all. This happens with 2-3 different sides of the cube. Is there a way to fix this?

I am following cube reviewers advices and doing around 75 solves before I take it apart and clean/lube/tension.

Thanks

 

[guysensei1]

Hey guys,
Just got a Moyu Weisu yesterday. The puzzle feels very different from the shengshou. But I was wondering if anyone else was experiencing this? When performing a double layer turn my top layer goes out of alignment or doesn't turn at all. This happens with 2-3 different sides of the cube. Is there a way to fix this?

I am following cube reviewers advices and doing around 75 solves before I take it apart and clean/lube/tension.

Thanks

This is a known problem. I don't think there's any way to fix it.

If you absolutely can't stand it, try getting an Aosu. It doesn't have the same problem (ok, they do misalign just a little, but the corner cutting will be sufficient to go by)

 

[PJKCuber]

After getting a sub 2:30 avg on 4x4 I have decicidedt o switch to a faster method Should I choose Yau or Hoya? I like Yau but the centers are giving me headaches because I can not do U moves.

 

[Nilsibert]

After getting a sub 2:30 avg on 4x4 I have decicidedt o switch to a faster method Should I choose Yau or Hoya? I like Yau but the centers are giving me headaches because I can not do U moves.

I don't get why you can't do U moves..? The reason you build only 3 edges at first is so that you can do U moves for last 4 centers.

Generally, learn the method you like more.

 

[PJKCuber]

I don't get why you can't do U moves..? The reason you build only 3 edges at first is so that you can do U moves for last 4 centers.

Generally, learn the method you like more.

Sorry not U moves, I meant I can't do L moves. But I like Yau's 3-2-3 edge pairing. It is way easier than Reduction 3-2-2-2-3 which is what I use. But Yau centers are hard. I need more practice.

 

[Nilsibert]

Sorry not U moves, I meant I can't do L moves. But I like Yau's 3-2-3 edge pairing. It is way easier than Reduction 3-2-2-2-3 which is what I use. But Yau centers are hard. I need more practice.

I always thought that's a good thing to be able to keep your left hand stationary and do everything with the right hand(or vice versa I guess).
You're right, practice is key. Btw, the 3-2-3 edge pairing is the same in Hoya, only centers and cross edges are different.

 

[PJKCuber]

I always thought that's a good thing to be able to keep your left hand stationary and do everything with the right hand(or vice versa I guess).
You're right, practice is key. Btw, the 3-2-3 edge pairing is the same in Hoya, only centers and cross edges are different.

I kind of agree with you but I think I'll just use 3-2-2-2-3 until I get sub 2 like Kevin Costello recommends.

 

[PJKCuber]

I am sub 2 using reduction and sub 3 using Yau. Other than practice, are there any techniques that will help me get sub 1:30 on centers.
Here are my times
F2C+ 3 dedges ~ 20
4 Centers ~1:30
3x3 Stage ~ 30
Is there any point being CN in Yau? I am CN on 3x3.

 

[brian724080]

I am sub 2 using reduction and sub 3 using Yau. Other than practice, are there any techniques that will help me get sub 1:30 on centers.
Here are my times
F2C+ 3 dedges ~ 20
4 Centers ~1:30
3x3 Stage ~ 30
Is there any point being CN in Yau? I am CN on 3x3.

No, that will only help you with your F2C and a few dedges at most.

You don't really need any techniques. For most cases, build a 2x1 and place it on the side with the dedges (also known as half-centers), and build the rest. Just practice

 

[Future Cuber]

Has anyone tried using the 6-2 edge pairing for yau ??????? idk if it actullay exist
I feel it is faster than 3-2-3 edgeparing
If any of u guys wanna know how to do it .....lemme know

 

[yoinneroid]

Has anyone tried using the 6-2 edge pairing for yau ??????? idk if it actullay exist
I feel it is faster than 3-2-3 edgeparing
If any of u guys wanna know how to do it .....lemme know

yep, I remember someone posting about it before

 

[Future Cuber]

yep, I remember someone posting about it before

so it doooesss exist

 

[TDM]

Has anyone tried using the 6-2 edge pairing for yau ??????? idk if it actullay exist
I feel it is faster than 3-2-3 edgeparing
If any of u guys wanna know how to do it .....lemme know

I used to use it, but I switched to 3-2-3. It feels faster when you don't get a bad case, but bad cases come up often and are so much easier to deal with using 3-2-3.

 

[PJKCuber]

Has anyone tried using the 6-2 edge pairing for yau ??????? idk if it actullay exist
I feel it is faster than 3-2-3 edgeparing
If any of u guys wanna know how to do it .....lemme know

I use 3-2-3 because it is much easier to look ahead.

 

[Future Cuber]

I use 3-2-3 because it is much easier to look ahead.

Actually....i feel 6-2 is much easier to look ahead with....