Doubts on Maru Lube

[daniel0731ex]

Here's my personal slant of this "argument":

#18
Reading ElectricDoodle's post, I was glad that somebody agrees with me about Lubix being a ripoff; then he claims the differential oil being "the same stuff as Lubix", which, although I never questioned the effect other cubers have experienced, have always wondered if it's truely the same. I thought I might as well ask him if he knew a bit more about the composition, so I told him my doubts to see if he could clear that up for me.

#19
ElectricDoodle's reply caught me by suprise, it was quite different from what I expected. I was thinking that he might talk about the ingredient list on the packaging of his diff oil, or exchange some information that I didn't know; but he skipped the key point and begins talking about his own hands-on experience (which I never questioned) and how I should try both of them myself. To me it seems that he thought I was doubting him, when I just simply wanted to add a few more things to this friendly discussion. He also preached about the advantages of diff oil over Lubix, which was unnecessary because I'm not a Lubix fanboy.

This is the reason why I thought that post was defensive, because he dodged my questoin and defends using the argument that "how it feels is all it matters". Though his tone was indeed calm, so this may merely be an over-interpretation on my side.


#20
I figure that this was nothing but a misunderstanding, so I hinted ElectricNoodle to look at my post that was right above him (that didn't go so well).


#21
-ElectricDoodie does become defensive (which is logical)
-ElectricDoodie calls daniel0731ex a kid (didn't check if he is, but he shouldn't have done that)
-ElectricDoodle thinks I'm defensive
-ElectricDoodle takes the lead into the argument


#22
Saddened that he didn't pick up my hint trying establish a friendly alliance but instead brew hostility, I simply ignores his offence (because it doesn't matter once he realizes that it's only a misunderstanding) and explains my intention (that was in the previous post) to reveal my stance being the same as his, in hopes that he would realize our friendly status and get back on topic.


#24
He fails to see my friendly intention, and begins the argument.
For the sake of peace, I won't try to defend myself, so I ignores most of the parts directed personally.


#35
I expressed my wish once again that I would prefer not to continue this argument that was merely caused by a misunderstanding (by this time I figured that it's pointless to explain anymore). I repeated my original question, once again reminding that I am not questioning the effect but rather an innocent doubt on the composition.


#37
-ElectricDoodie (rightfully) points out that daniel0731ex is a hypocrite
-ElectricDoodie looses his calm and gets pulled into the argument
Ignored. I figure it's pointless to even talk about the original subject anymore. Whatever insult he directed at me, so be it.

#48
-daniel0731ex doesn't walk away from the fight and adds a few insults (ignorance)
Seeing that it's pointless to even discuss the original subject with him, I stated that I will not respond to this argument anymore, unless it's relavent to the topic. As for the "insults", I suppose it's very "unrightful" for me to express my frustration to his persistence (on the irrevalent argument that I constantly trys to avoid), after him "rightfully" calling me a hypocrite, eh?

I walked away from the fight from right here.


#49
Ignored the offence completely, just like what I have been doing from the beginning.
Though he said "You're not getting that point that I continually make", which I find funny because it's him who missed MY point in the first place and responded with something irrvalent.



#51
Responds to relavent points.
Repeating, for the 100th time, that I AM NOT DOUBTING THE EFFECT. I just wanted to introduce this aspect into the discussion, though Noodle somehow thought that I am rebutting his "point" with it.

I always agrees on "people should try both lubes for themselves", just didn't respond to it because it was irrevalent to my original question. But I guess he cared a lot about that, so kept on bringing it back while I wanted to stay on the original point.




You know, Arnaud, your analysis wasn't really fair; in many parts you clearly showed your bias by, for example, justifying ElectricNoodle's insult as being a "rightful" reaction, while in my case it would be "refusing to walk away from the the argument". Huh, didn't know that nowadays even insults can be "rightful" eh?.

So you complimented Noodle for "keeping his calm", then what about me avoiding the fight all along?


Would you like some coffee?

 

[Mephisto]

tldr, just let it go mate :/

 

[RubikZz]

Buy Maru and do it in the cor.
My GuHong cant before cut 45 degrees and with maru is(?).
Do not too much then you're cube is overlubed.
I dont have Lubix, but I can't imagine that that's a much better.
I say buy.

 

[Godmil]

I'd try out the treadmill stuff... just a couple of drops, and see what it's like. I doub't it would have anything bad in it. The big warnings on the treadmill about not using anything else are probably to stop people using WD40 or something... I'd imagine the lube is very safe for plastics. Try a couple of drops (don't over lube it, it's easier to put a little in later than having to clean too much out) and if it feels bad, just dismantle the cube and clean it off. If you're needing really cheap lube, maru lube on Lightake is really affordable (since it's free shipping) you'll just have to wait a while for it to arrive.

P.S. Awesomely even handed mediation AvGalen, quite inspiring actually.

 

[da25centz]

I'd try out the treadmill stuff... just a couple of drops, and see what it's like. I doub't it would have anything bad in it. The big warnings on the treadmill about not using anything else are probably to stop people using WD40 or something... I'd imagine the lube is very safe for plastics. Try a couple of drops (don't over lube it, it's easier to put a little in later than having to clean too much out) and if it feels bad, just dismantle the cube and clean it off. If you're needing really cheap lube, maru lube on Lightake is really affordable (since it's free shipping) you'll just have to wait a while for it to arrive.

P.S. Awesomely even handed mediation AvGalen, quite inspiring actually.

Agreed, I think since it says only use silicone lube on the treadmill that you can be sure that that lube is silicone, meaning it is safe for your cubes, as long as you don't use too much. Worst comes to worst, you have to clean out your cube, which isn't really a bad thing

 

[Bapao]

#52, #53
-b4p4076 and ElectricDoodie make up for this fight and for the previous fight they had. Testosterone becomes estrogen. Gaydar starts beeping, violins start playing, etc etc and they both live happily ever after?

It's actually a pretty soothing experience when that happens
Maybe I should have invited daniel0731ex for a group hug though...

-b4p4076, you should have stayed out of this and you should have let bygones by bygones

I know, and I hereby accept your public beating with dignity.
There's nothing quite like the sweet sting of remorse the day after acting like an ass

justifying ElectricNoodle's insults

but you complimented Noodle

Yeah. Why do you keep calling him "noodle" though?

 

[AvGalen]

Here's my personal slant of this "argument":

#18
Reading ElectricDoodle's post, I was glad that somebody agrees with me about Lubix being a ripoff; then he claims the differential oil being "the same stuff as Lubix", which, although I never questioned the effect other cubers have experienced, have always wondered if it's truely the same. I thought I might as well ask him if he knew a bit more about the composition, so I told him my doubts to see if he could clear that up for me.

You wrote a lot more and didn't do what I told you to do, realise that you were a hypocrite for telling someone not to argue and then start arguing yourself. It seems like you expect others to behave in a certain way that you don't have to behave yourself.
Then you tell me I am biased towards ElectricDoodie and that my analysis wasn't really fair. You threw the first stone as I have clearly spelled out. Therefor it is rightful for ElectricDoodie to defend or even strike back. If you disagree about that you really haven't reread the whole thing enough yet. You should also read other peoples reaction here and realise that you are clearly in the wrong. There is a reason nobody accepted your request about the defensiveness of ElectricDoodie (as has been said before, pointing to the wrong post which you completely ignore in your analysis)
Your basic point seems to be that you wanted to know something from ElectricDoodie, he didn't supply the information the way you wanted, so he is in the wrong and not you. Did you actually follow your own advise about reading posts and read his? and not just what I quote below, but also the content of the link he provides?

A great lubricant is Differential Oil at 50,000wt. It's the same stuff as Lubix, except Lubix is a rip-off.

Here's some more information with past experiences, questions and answers, and even pictures I uploaded, before the mods decided to close it.
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?27563-Viscosity-of-Lubix-Found!-Cheaper-Alternative!

 

[dieguito]

Wow... I think it's such a pity that this thread was the stage of a battle, since some very very interesting and fruitful answers came up.
Thanks to anyone that took the time to answer about the original topic of this thread.
I'm finally going to lube my cube with that silicone thing, then, I'm going to buy some maru lube and meanwhile, try to find an alternative which I'd be able to buy here in buenos aires.
That's the end of THIS post. What comes next is a message in spanish to some colombian guy
Una preguntita... Vos decís que tenes CRC... Lo conseguiste en Colombia? Porque acá en Argentina no lo consigo... Tendré que ir a Wal-Mart y ver que onda. Gracias!!!

 

[dieguito]

By the way, could anyone tell me how do I notice if I need to wash my cube or not? (if it's going to damage the cube after all)

 

[aminayuko]

when you clean a cube, the cube usually has tons of plastic dust in the cube mixed with, in your case the treadmill lube.
you should see some noticeable difference in the pieces before and after you lube it.
when you clean it, take the whole cube apart, even the core. then you put all the pieces except the washers, screws, springs and core into a sink with a clog. since i had a Ghosthand II 3x3,i know you can open the edge and corner caps. take those off and clean the insides. make sure all the lube is out. then put the washers, screws, springs and core in a plastic bag, fill halfway with water and shake. then take all the hardware out and dump the water. Let it dry then assemble.

 

[da25centz]

By the way, could anyone tell me how do I notice if I need to wash my cube or not? (if it's going to damage the cube after all)

it will not damage your cube.

if you pop out an edge and put your finger inside the cube, and it comes out with plastic crap on it, you should clean your cube. also, if your cube is getting slower or feels gummy, clean it out and relube

 

[choza244]

Una preguntita... Vos decís que tenes CRC... Lo conseguiste en Colombia? Porque acá en Argentina no lo consigo... Tendré que ir a Wal-Mart y ver que onda. Gracias!!!

yes, I got it in the supermarket, here is very common, the one I couldn't get was the jigaloo, its like it only exists in the USA LOL

 

[yockee]

Seriously, Maru lube, in my opinion, is MUCH better than spray. You only use ONE OR TWO DROPS. You don't pour it in. True, it does dry up after a couple days, and you do have to clean out the dry powder it leaves afterwards or your cube will be slow, but it lasts long ( a bottle ) and it won't ruin your core area like spray.

 

[V1NSONG]

I lubed my FII with about 6 drops of Maru lube and it's lasting for quite a while... Is it just me???