brododragon
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Then why don't you use Petrus?
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Ok sorry I'll admit I can't get sub-50 with the COLL L5E variant in 10 minutes but with regular HKOLL and HKPLL you can get to sub 50 and even sub 40 in 10 minutes. that doesn't mean the average movecount of CFOP is better than regular HK. you're basically putting me in so much disadvantages, can't use regular HK, can't do it in more than ten minute and I'm using a beginner HK variant which is equivalent to CFOP 3LLL which is inefficient.
Owen Morrison
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Thank you for admitting that. But I can get sub 50 or sub 45 with CFOP in 10 minutes
brododragon
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Owen Morrison
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oh actually I got a sub 50 move solution with OLL and PLL in less than 30 seconds with the first scramble I saw in CS timerThank you for admitting that. But I can get sub 50 or sub 45 with CFOP in 10 minutes
(so no skipping around for easy scrambles)
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regular CFOP or CFOP will full pll and 2 look last layer which is inefficient?Thank you for admitting that. But I can get sub 50 or sub 45 with CFOP in 10 minutes
Owen Morrison
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I used 2 look last layer and I did not get an EPLL and my edges were not oriented.
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I'm just saying that you used regular CFOP while I used beginner HK.
Owen Morrison
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That is besides the point, you said CFOP can't get under 50 moves, but my normal solution does. If you don't believe me I will reconstruct it.
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I don't need you to reconstruct it. also the wiki is lying to me. it says the average movecount of CFOP is 50-60 moves.
Owen Morrison
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The average is 50-60 moves, but CFOP can get solutions under 50 if you use multislotting, force low movecount F2L pairs, and make X crosses.
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Hey! I didn't use tricks in my HK solves, I don't know any tricks in HK because I'm a beginner with a beginner varient and average around sub - 60 moves.
ProStar
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I don't really understand HK so I think I did it badly(like do you orient all edges or just F2L ones?), but here's 47 STM solution with COLL/L5EP. Nothing super advanced, and the first WCA 3x3 scramble I pulled from csTimer.
Also averaging sub-40 is ridiculous, even using HKOLL and HKPLL instead of COLL L5EP
Also averaging sub-40 is ridiculous, even using HKOLL and HKPLL instead of COLL L5EP
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"even sub-40" watch the wording here, sometimes with decently lucky scrambles. just the F2L ones.
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Dude I had a 8 move XEOArrow and a good F2L with the easiest L5EP case and got 47
Edit: I did the same solve with HKOLL and HKPLL and got a 54. Of course, I got a pretty good COLL+L5EP combination, and generally HKLL is lower movecount
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You are using HK beginner variant, if you use HKOLL and HKPLL it will be better.
WoowyBaby
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Hawaiian Kociemba without a doubt averages above 50 moves, and there is no method that can consistently get sub 40 moves in speedsolves.
Owen Morrison
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Dude I said in the beginning that without full HKOLL and HKPLL you can't average 40 moves, and you said you could. I guess you finally are realizing that you can't.
And honestly even with full HKOLL and HKPLL you might not even average sub 50 moves.
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I meant not in speedsolves, with regular HK variant , and in speedsolves, HK can average high 40s, the wiki is lying to me again? https://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/Hawaiian_Kociemba From this point on, I am just going to believe in what I experienced.
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ProStar
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I got 54 on that same solve with HKLL
You could maybe average high 40s, but that'd be elite level. You could expect probably low-mid 50s on average
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