One-Answer 3x3 Roux Question Thread

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New kinda-roux-user, though ZZ is my main method. I am x2/y colour neutral with roux, though I average like 35-40 sec. My goal is to be able to use it when my EOLine sucks. (EDIT: and when doing multiple cubes without inspection things)
So, when I have bad lighting, I sometimes make an accidental x2 SB. What are the general thoughts on doing this purposely, and how do you recognize unmatching CMLL? I'm learning COLL for ZZ so I know how to recognize CxLL with colour blocks and opposite colours.
 
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GenTheThief said:
My goal is to be able to use it when my EOLine sucks.
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I don't think this is a good idea. You'll need to spend so much time practising Roux to get it to the same speed as your ZZ - that time would be better spent practising EOLine so you don't mind those bad cases.

Answering your question:
I don't think it's a good idea to do this on purpose, since it would make lookahead earlier in the solve more difficult, since you would have to decide on which SB to do. CMLL and LSE would also have harder recognition and you would need to do an extra, slow move at the end of LSE. Though if your NMCLL recognition is good then it probably isn't worth re-solving the entire block if you notice this has happened too late.

I don't actually know how to recognise NMCLL. Most of the time you can look for pairs of adjacent/opposite colours just like normal, but I often give myself a diagonal swap afterwards, which slows me down a lot. So really the best advice I can give is don't cube when there's bad lighting! :) (Edit: or, buy some stickers which have a better contrast)
 
TDM said:
You'll need to spend so much time practising Roux to get it to the same speed as your ZZ - that time would be better spent practising EOLine so you don't mind those bad cases.
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I try to improve EO, but there are just some things that don't get better. Also, It's for things like relay, or how many cubes can you solve in ten minutes or FMC with STM. Things that dont allow inspection time (I've tried cfop, I don't want it to be main). I also just really like roux.

Sometimes I can't avoid bad lighting if my family is driving home at night or something. I haven't decided if I want to spend money on restickering my cubes because the MoYu sticker contrast is fine.

I thank you for your input. If you find any websites that show how to recognize NMCLL, can you tell me? I wouldn't know where to look.
 
GenTheThief said:
I try to improve EO, but there are just some things that don't get better.
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Anything specifically? Have you asked on the ZZ thread? Be sure to take a look at EOLine solutions on JARCS (cube explorer can solve just EO if you only want to focus on that for now). Looking at example solves or reconstructions can also be useful.
I'm sure it can get better, you just need a bit more practice! :)

Also, It's for things like relay, or how many cubes can you solve in ten minutes or FMC with STM. Things that dont allow inspection time (I've tried cfop, I don't want it to be main). I also just really like roux.
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Roux also uses a lot of inspection, especially if there are no pairs (which there aren't in most scrambles). But if you like Roux then of course you can practise it more if you want - liking a method is the best reason to solve with it! I definitely won't discourage you if you enjoy it. Just be aware that you won't be as fast if you want to become method neutral.

Sometimes I can't avoid bad lighting if my family is driving home at night or something. I haven't decided if I want to spend money on restickering my cubes because the MoYu sticker contrast is fine.
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That's fine. Stickers aren't expensive but there are always times with bad light that you can't avoid, no matter what your stickers are like. Although recognising NMCLL would be hard in that light :P

I thank you for your input. If you find any websites that show how to recognize NMCLL, can you tell me? I wouldn't know where to look.
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There are two links at the bottom of this page which may be of some use. Unfortunately I can't find anything more than that - hopefully someone else knows something more helpful!
 
TDM said:
Anything specifically? Have you asked on the ZZ thread? Be sure to take a look at EOLine solutions on JARCS (cube explorer can solve just EO if you only want to focus on that for now). Looking at example solves or reconstructions can also be useful.
I'm sure it can get better, you just need a bit more practice!
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It's not that I'm bad at EO, it's just when I did ZZ solves at my last competition, there were (i think) three times when I couldn't find all my eo and plan it out in under fifteen seconds. Cfop had been my main method, so I just switched to cfop for those three solves and did fine (averaged 22 2H, made it to the second round OH). I personally don't like cfop, and ZZ is so ridiculously dependent on inspection time its quite burdening, which is why I want to get decent with roux. While I know that all methods require some inspection time, there are some that require less. While playing around with roux at home, I know that first block can be hard, but it almost certainly requires less inspection and planing that EOLine, and probably a little more than cross. Also, as a beginner I can just plan out a 1x2x2, and look for the other pair while building it.
I'm sure you understand my reasoning and I probably didn't need to type all this out, but on the off chance you didn't understand, I just wanted to make myself clear.
 
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GenTheThief said:
It's not that I'm bad at EO, it's just when I did ZZ solves at my last competition, there were (i think) three times when I couldn't find all my eo and plan it out in under fifteen seconds. Cfop had been my main method, so I just switched to cfop for those three solves and did fine (averaged 22 2H, made it to the second round OH). I personally don't like cfop, and ZZ is so ridiculously dependent on inspection time its quite burdening, which is why I want to get decent with roux. While I know that all methods require some inspection time, there are some that require less. While playing around with roux at home, I know that first block can be hard, but it almost certainly requires less inspection and planing that EOLine, and probably a little more than cross. Also, as a beginner I can just plan out a 1x2x2, and look for the other pair while building it.
I'm sure you understand my reasoning and I probably didn't need to type all this out, but on the off chance you didn't understand, I just wanted to make myself clear.
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That's fair. And yes, planning a 1x2x2 while tracking the pair is quite easy in comparison to planning EOLine. Good luck with practising Roux!
 
Continuing my total noob adventures, I'm having a lot of trouble with inspection and planning even just 1x2x2. Often there's a corner-edge pair and then I can usually plan within 15 seconds. But in the rest of the cases it takes me around a minute just to plan it.

Part of the time is just to find the potential pieces (after first scanning for CE pairs), usually using center-edge pairs if no CE available. The rest of the time is imagining the moves to bring them together.

Is there a better way to train this other than just practicing over and over again? I'm trying the block trainer site too, but don't see much effect.

Also, is there a method for doing inspection efficiently? I find myself looking at all the sides several times, trying to find different options.

I have to say, the simplicity of CFOP inspection is really appealing right now :(
 
deadcat said:
Continuing my total noob adventures, I'm having a lot of trouble with inspection and planning even just 1x2x2. Often there's a corner-edge pair and then I can usually plan within 15 seconds. But in the rest of the cases it takes me around a minute just to plan it.

Part of the time is just to find the potential pieces (after first scanning for CE pairs), usually using center-edge pairs if no CE available. The rest of the time is imagining the moves to bring them together.

Is there a better way to train this other than just practicing over and over again? I'm trying the block trainer site too, but don't see much effect.

Also, is there a method for doing inspection efficiently? I find myself looking at all the sides several times, trying to find different options.

I have to say, the simplicity of CFOP inspection is really appealing right now :(
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Use unlimited inspection time to begin with and over time you will get better and better and eventually naturally get faster without having to try to keep within inspection time.
 
i recently switched from cfop to roux and am averaging ~33 seconds with 2 look cmll. i find my biggest weakness is looking ahead when building the first and second block. what can i do to improve?
 
Anybody know what the average split are for roux? I want to compare it to see what I need to improve on.
 
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