[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

[PenguinsDontFly]

So I saw your video with Meyer. And I'm really interested. What do you believe is the potential of this method compared to CFOP based ones? Also M slices are just a matter of practice right?

Meyer can definitely get you to low 30 averages, and maybe even farther. Another method to consider is Stadler. I did not think it could be as fast as yau and meyer, but Kaijun proved me wrong. M slices on a 4x4 are quite easy to be honest. The only thing you need to do is flick on the border between the 2 inner slices.

 

[muchacho]

Is Kaijun the fastest with Roux on 4x4?

edit: Oops, I see that you are already officially faster than him.

 

[TheBrutux168]

Meyer can definitely get you to low 30 averages, and maybe even farther. Another method to consider is Stadler. I did not think it could be as fast as yau and meyer, but Kaijun proved me wrong. M slices on a 4x4 are quite easy to be honest. The only thing you need to do is flick on the border between the 2 inner slices.

Interesting, thanks for the information. I might try it again and see if I can get used to it. Is there any reason you choose E slice pairing over M slice. About Stadler I did see Kaijun's video on it but never knew what method he was using. I might try a bit of Stadler

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

Interesting, thanks for the information. I might try it again and see if I can get used to it. Is there any reason you choose E slice pairing over M slice. About Stadler I did see Kaijun's video on it but never knew what method he was using. I might try a bit of Stadler

I've never tried M slice pairing, but I chose E slice because I wanted to replicate Yau as closely as I could. Originally, I just independently modified Yau to allow for me to use roux, but now I think E slice pairing has much better fingertricks.

 

[Shiv3r]

Meyer can definitely get you to low 30 averages, and maybe even farther. Another method to consider is Stadler. I did not think it could be as fast as yau and meyer, but Kaijun proved me wrong. M slices on a 4x4 are quite easy to be honest. The only thing you need to do is flick on the border between the 2 inner slices.

what is the outliene of the meyer method?


also, I think that to be good at LSE, We need to work on some LSE hacks, like is a D edge is already solved and doing L5E, or doing ELL.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

what is the outliene of the meyer method?


also, I think that to be good at LSE, We need to work on some LSE hacks, like is a D edge is already solved and doing L5E, or doing ELL.

First 2 centres
First Block
Last 4 Centres
Random Edge
Last 8 Edges
Roux

 

[shadowslice e]

also, I think that to be good at LSE, We need to work on some LSE hacks, like is a D edge is already solved and doing L5E, or doing ELL.

You really don't need hax. All you need is the ability to influence and predict the UL/UR edges during CMLL/EO, misoriented centres and BU recog and you should be able to get second LSE with only a little practise.

 

[Shiv3r]

You really don't need hax. All you need is the ability to influence and predict the UL/UR edges during CMLL/EO, misoriented centres and BU recog and you should be able to get second LSE with only a little practise.

how does the LSE centers misoriented thing work, anyway?

 

[shadowslice e]

how does the LSE centers misoriented thing work, anyway?

I never actually learned it from anywhere and just sort of worked it out by myself so I have no real idea how to explain it clearly but basically, if you misorent all the edges except for UL/UR, and pit the centres off by an M/M', you can move the UL/UR around as if all the edges were oriented using U/M2s. Once UL/UR is solved, you can them put the remaining edges on the M-slice and do an M/M' to orient them.

It's particularly useful if you have UL/UR that will end up in UF and UD or UB and BD and are in the points of the arrow 4-flip case.

 

[AirbusCube]

For sub 20 with roux, what is best to practise?

 

[Eduard Khil]

For sub 20 with roux, what is best to practise?

What are your splits? Generally sub 20 means full CMLL and better lookahead

 

[h2f]

What are splits for sub20?
4-5-3-7?

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

What are splits for sub20?
4-5-3-7?

4-6-3-6 also seems reasonable

 

[h2f]

4-6-3-6 also seems reasonable

Ok. Thanks. I'm often in 4-6 but not in 3-6 (cmll-lse).

 

[GuRoux]

4-6-3-6 also seems reasonable

eh, i was more like 5-7-4-4

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

eh, i was more like 5-7-4-4

It depends on your strengths and weaknesses. I learned CMLL early and had (still have) terrible LSE.

 

[shadowslice e]

eh, i was more like 5-7-4-4

I seem to have been the opposite of you: 4-5-5-6 (my 2-look was terrible)

Weird that I'm now something like 2-3.5-2.5-3. But I have recently figured out a lot of LSE tricks-still need to learn BU and use in solves properly though - my CMLL should also be faster but exams so I can't be bothered to completely intergrate new algs to replace some of the more terrible ones I have and start working on sone prediction.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

I seem to have been the opposite of you: 4-5-5-6 (my 2-look was terrible)

Weird that I'm now something like 2-3.5-2.5-3. But I have recently figured out a lot of LSE tricks-still need to learn BU and use in solves properly though - my CMLL should also be faster but exams so I can't be bothered to completely intergrate new algs to replace some of the more terrible ones I have and start working on sone prediction.

For algs, just sit down for a week and replace all of the bad ones. I find it's harder to replace them little by little, and it's beneficial to change a whole bunch at once and then just drill them for a while. Prediction isn't important until you average sub-9, and to learn it you basically have to get good at 2x2.

 

[Knut]

Does anyone have any good resources on influencing ULUR in 2 flip cases, or is it best just to try a bunch of stuff and figure it out?

 

[shadowslice e]

Does anyone have any good resources on influencing ULUR in 2 flip cases, or is it best just to try a bunch of stuff and figure it out?

Just try working stuff out though misoriented centres is useful and doing U/U' M/M' are almost interchangable is quite a few scenarios so that can help.

Anyway, my question: who are the top 25 (or at least as many as you can) roux solvers by official single and average?