ZZ-CT Thread

[N's-cvt]

I have a google doc that I think has some good algs for all the cases, however I do not have any images to go with them.

 

[PapaSmurf]

Just do ZBLL with some modifications. CT isn't great when compared with it and yes 493 algs is a lot, but it's easily manageable by anyone who can learn algs properly (which includes you, person reading this).

 

[ribbon method]

I found a 2look version of ttll or begginers version if you want to call it that i found it 9n reddit and I will attach the regular document and close up shots as well see if you could optimize them

 

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I found a 2look version of ttll or begginers version if you want to call it that i found it 9n reddit and I will attach the regular document and close up shots as well see if you could optimize them

Beginner algs are beginner algs, they aren't meant to be optimized, if you want, see Gyroninja's algs here: https://gyroninja.net/zzct/zzct.html#page, but those algs can be optimized as well.
(lol optimizing meant genning new algs, not really pumping up existing algs, I could probably gen some algs)

 

[zzcuberman]

Generating and getting good algs takes time just asking someone isnt gonna get it done. They have to be motivated lol!

 

[Spacey10]

Generating and getting good algs takes time just asking someone isnt gonna get it done. They have to be motivated lol!

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[kubesolver]

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not sure what you mean yes, the kubesolver can gen algs.
But in the process of "Generating and getting good algs" generating is like <1% and getting the good ones is >99% work.

 

[zzcuberman]

These are my bar cases! Exchange algs anyone? so i can get a very up to date list! If you look at any of them specifically the ones i generated are ok but the last one in the right bar list is WAYY better then anyones ive seen and its 14 moves. The list goes with Justin taylors ttll list.

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

About to start TSLE, wish me luck. I would also like to know what N, Cw and Ccw stand for, since the website that i'm using to learn the algorithms splits the cases up into those 3.

 

[GenTheSnail]

About to start TSLE, wish me luck. I would also like to know what N, Cw and Ccw stand for, since the website that i'm using to learn the algorithms splits the cases up into those 3.

"Cw" and "Ccw" stand for "Clockwise" and "Counter Clockwise". Those terms usually apply to the direction of the edge cycles, but it could also refer to the direction of the corner cycles. However, given that this is TSLE and there aren't edge or corner cycles to worry about, I think they mean the direction of the corner twists. If you read through the earlier parts of this thread, there are examples of people using "+" and "-" to show twist direction, and "o" to show that the corner isn't twisted (which I think was how the algs on gyroninja's site were organized and labeled). I would assume that in this case "N" means that the corner has not been twisted.

 

[zzcuberman]

I use C++

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

thanks. do you know a way to put tsle and tell into cfop? Just because I'm no good at eo steps

 

[ribbon method]

thanks. do you know a way to put tsle and tell into cfop? Just because I'm no good at eo steps

if that's what u want then do ribbon method

 

[zzcuberman]

It would be way less efficient to be honest

 

[OreKehStrah]

thanks. do you know a way to put tsle and tell into cfop? Just because I'm no good at eo steps

TSLE is irrelevant IMO. Instead just make one of the F2L pairs using either the correct corner or pick one of the four last layer corners and treat the yellow sticker as if it was the white sticker of the correct corner and form the pair with it instead. When done right, it should give you a normal OLL case when F2L is complete, only with a LL corner in the F2L and an F2L corner in the LL. You can then do OLL and TTLL. This gives you more choices during your F2L and avoids the need to learn anything new besides TTLL.

 

[zzcuberman]

TSLE is irrelevant IMO. Instead just make one of the F2L pairs using either the correct corner or pick one of the four last layer corners and treat the yellow sticker as if it was the white sticker of the correct corner and form the pair with it instead. When done right, it should give you a normal OLL case when F2L is complete, only with a LL corner in the F2L and an F2L corner in the LL. You can then do OLL and TTLL. This gives you more choices during your F2L and avoids the need to learn anything new besides TTLL.

Thats wasted moves

 

[OreKehStrah]

Thats wasted moves

How is it wasted moves? There are many times where you can do a 3-4 move solution to solve an F2L edge plus a LL corner oriented correctly.

Plus Execution Speed > Movecount
Need proof? Just a simple example is how the standard U perm went from 9 to 11 moves, because the 11 move solution is faster.

 

[zzcuberman]

How is it wasted moves? There are many times where you can do a 3-4 move solution to solve an F2L edge plus a LL corner oriented correctly.

Plus Execution Speed > Movecount
Need proof? Just a simple example is how the standard U perm went from 9 to 11 moves, because the 11 move solution is faster.

Inserting the corner with the edge and doing oll and pll/ttll is a waste of 3 moves when you can just orient all the corners and insert at the same time

 

[zzcuberman]

Also the S slice U perm is gawd tier if you can do it right

 

[OreKehStrah]

Inserting the corner with the edge and doing oll and pll/ttll is a waste of 3 moves when you can just orient all the corners and insert at the same time

3 moves is insignificant in comparison to the time it takes to do TSLE. You have to do a 3-4 move insert just to randomly insert the edge into the slot, then take time to recognize and execute on the TSLE case, taking far more time. Plus you have less options this way as you lowkey have to insert in the FR slot unless you want to do mirroring, which would be a lot of annoying work for little benefit.

Also I know about the U perms. I use three different kinds of algs, just depending on the AUF.