[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

to your second question:

first of all it's rly hard to do an EOCross during inspection time if you just start with ZZ. People alrdy have Problems with only EO, thats why you normally split EO + Line into 2 substeps when you start learning ZZ. Starting with EO + Cross is even harder.

2nd point is the question, WHY you wanna do EOCross. If you do an EOCross it's still CFOP-F2L, just RUL-based, there is nothing different to that what you have done before, the only point is, that you increase your movecount alot (since EOCross needs a shitload of moves [7.51 in average compared to 5.81 normal cross and 6.13 EOLine], as well as RUL-based Fridrich-F2L [28.1 in average as optimal solutions]) and you only get oriented edges at the end for it. I would highly recommend not to do EOCross when you start ZZ, just try from the beginning to get used to ZZ-F2L, because CFOP with EO is still CFOP.

there's a move-count analysis for this: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...F2L-Move-Count&p=342121&viewfull=1#post342121

to your first question:

i dont wanna say learn this or learn that. OCLL/PLL and COLL/EPLL nearl got the same movecounts 19.13 to 18.53 in average. On the other side people normally got faster recognition if they stick to OCLL/PLL, on the other hand COLL/EPLL got 1/12 PLL-skip, with Phasing it's 1/4 PLL-skip. If you aim to take the road to 1LLL I highly recommend to learn COLL, cuz you'll need them in ZZLL anyway later and only doing PLL if you get an OLL-skip. Some people mixing both of this, by doing COLL except from the Sune-Cases, it's just a matter of what you like and what you dislike.
 
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I started ZZ about a week ago. Now I can usually plan out most of my EO during inspection. I am starting to learn how to block build. If I go slowly, I think I am quite efficient. However, as soon as I start timing myself, I panic and my F2L is very slow. I average around 45 or 50 seconds. I'm not very sure about that since I've only timed about 10 solves. Is this normal? And how can I fix this problem.
 
I started ZZ about a week ago. Now I can usually plan out most of my EO during inspection. I am starting to learn how to block build. If I go slowly, I think I am quite efficient. However, as soon as I start timing myself, I panic and my F2L is very slow. I average around 45 or 50 seconds. I'm not very sure about that since I've only timed about 10 solves. Is this normal? And how can I fix this problem.

Being slow is normal to start with. ZZ can be very similar to CFOP or worlds apart, so if you do it similar to CFOP to start with, and then move on to block building, you should improve.
 
50, 45, 75, 42, 44, 49, 76, 42, 40, 73, 49, 48

lol zz2h* htm lolol

maybe next week I'll have less reds lol.
 
50, 45, 75, 42, 44, 49, 76, 42, 40, 73, 49, 48

lol zz2h* htm lolol

maybe next week I'll have less reds lol.

averaging below 50 is pretty good actually, dunno how this big gap comes between your red numbers and the black ones. I usually have around 50 (stm) in decent solves down to 35 in wowowowow solves :D can you analyse your red numbers, where the big gap comes from, then we could help maybe ;P
 
50, 45, 75, 42, 44, 49, 76, 42, 40, 73, 49, 48

lol zz2h* htm lolol

maybe next week I'll have less reds lol.

zz2h* too hard dude

gotta get more efficient and lucky, then it's less reds TROLOLOLOL

also post away dude, lots of people here, myself included would be more than happy to look and make suggestions
 
howthe**** sub50 movecount average on speedsolves dat so IMPOSSIBRU

i get about 60 on normal solves, sub50/low50 on good ones and nearly 70 on (/$&%"§/($&%solves :( :( :(



guyse, try this scramble with yellow up/orange front - D2 U2 F' R2 B L2 F2 D2 L2 B2 F' U R F2 U' B R2 B2 F2 OLOLOLOLOL
got 9.81 :P
 
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I did watch the block building section. In fact I watched the entire thing. Blockbuilding is not a problem, doing it fast is what is difficult, recognizing things faster and finishing it is what is challenging.
 
guyse, try this scramble with yellow up/orange front - D2 U2 F' R2 B L2 F2 D2 L2 B2 F' U R F2 U' B R2 B2 F2 OLOLOLOLOL
got 9.81 :P

lol 7.82!!! [winter variation > g perm], but i scrambled so that the nice eoline was in my regular orientation (White-Green). soz for cheating :)
 
The thing I hate most about ZZ:

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Rotating during inspection, but forgetting to rotate back. :fp
 
D2 F U2 F2 R2 F R2 D2 B U2 B' L' B2 F' L' B R' F2 U' R U2

x2 L R U D' F' D L2 D //EOL (8,8)
R' U R2 U2 R U' R2' U R // RIGHT (9,17)
L' U2 L2 U' L' U2 L U' L' U2 L // LEFT (11,28)
U2 F R U' R' U R U2 R' U' R U R' U' F' // COLL EPLL SKIP WHAT?(15,43)
View at alg.garron.us

15.43

lol those EPLL skips too good
 
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