[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

[Petro Leum]

How do you guys deal with the case when on your very last pair insertion the corner is already solved? I'm trying a couple of ways to deal with it but I kinda hate them all:

For the front right corner solved, place the edge on UF then:
R U' R' U R U R' U2 R U R'
or
R' U' R' U' R2 U R U R

Place edge on UB:
F' R U R' U' R' F R
(even though there's F moves in it edge orientation is preserved, but it's terrible when the last slot must be inserted in the B face).

that's a pretty bad case.

it would be a good idea to learn the patterns for all the easy solutions and make sure to force an OCLL skip whenever you can, but when you cant, you have to just

-> Deal with it

i know 5 easy cases for this one, i might type them out later, maybe you know some that i don't? would be cool to share some knowledge

 

[mDiPalma]

you can keyhole it if it's not the last one, babe.

but otherwise i use the one with Fs.

 

[Bindedsa]

Edge in UF: L D R U' R' [U D] L, Easier to mirror for B? Inverse also works with edge in UR.

 

[guysensei1]

Edge in UF: L D R U' R' [U D] L, Easier to mirror for B? Inverse also works with edge in UR.

Whoa this alg is good

 

[supercavitation]

If it's the back slot that's missing the edge, Collin Burns had a good alg on Cubing World, which I can't remember at the moment, but it was both 2 gen, and very fingertricky.

 

[NZCuber]

Hey does anyone have any tutorials for zz x-crosses. I am trying to optimise my eo line with some extra tricks.

 

[guysensei1]

If it's the back slot that's missing the edge, Collin Burns had a good alg on Cubing World, which I can't remember at the moment, but it was both 2 gen, and very fingertricky.

R U R U R U' R' U' R'?

 

[supercavitation]

R U R U R U' R' U' R'?

Yeah, that. Thanks!

 

[adimare]

R U R U R U' R' U' R'?

I think this is the winner for me, any reason why you'd use this only to insert corners in the back? I'm now using R' U' R' U' R' U R U R for the FR corner (for instance) and it seems a lot better than the other algs that have been posted.

 

[Lazy Einstein]

How many people are sub-10 with ZZ for 2H(obv) on here? What variant do you use?

Even sub-15; how many sub-15 peeps are on here? Which variant of ZZ do you use?

 

[Ollie]

Newly converted to ZZ I figure my knowledge of comms and liking for COLL algs should be utilized more effectively. New year's resolution is to get faster than I am currently with CFOP!

 

[Lazy Einstein]

Newly converted to ZZ I figure my knowledge of comms and liking for COLL algs should be utilized more effectively. New year's resolution is to get faster than I am currently with CFOP!

Nice!

I bet you can catch your CFOP times easily; maybe a month.
EO takes a week of good practice but then it is easy and fun. The hardest part of the switch(at least for me) is blockbuilding. I always want to EO cross and F2L all the time haha. I am still pretty new to ZZ myself how ever.

 

[2180161]

Is there a thread for help transitioning from CFOP to ZZ?

 

[NZCuber]

How many people are sub-10 with ZZ for 2H(obv) on here? What variant do you use?

Even sub-15; how many sub-15 peeps are on here? Which variant of ZZ do you use?

Hey dude I am currently sub 15 with zz-c. That is basically zz but forced oll skip each solve. My official results are almost sub-15 but it was my comp and nerves got to me. Ended up with a whole heap of plus 2s. I also did some f2l moves that were a bit inefficient and am trying to get out of that habit.

 

[TDM]

Hey dude I am currently sub 15 with zz-c. That is basically zz but forced oll skip each solve. My official results are almost sub-15 but it was my comp and nerves got to me. Ended up with a whole heap of plus 2s. I also did some f2l moves that were a bit inefficient and am trying to get out of that habit.

ZZ-c? Really? I didn't know anybody had even generated algs for that...

 

[guysensei1]

ZZ-c? Really? I didn't know anybody had even generated algs for that...

Zz-c should just basically be WV+SV no? Assuming all your F2L algs end with 3 move inserts of course.

The only problem I forsee is getting a last F2L pair skip.

 

[TDM]

Zz-c should just basically be WV+SV no? Assuming all your F2L algs end with 3 move inserts of course.

The only problem I forsee is getting a last F2L pair skip.

ZZ-c is when you do LS+OCLL at the same time. That's learning algs for every last pair case, not just the three move inserts. That's like saying ZBLS is the same thing as VHLS, and COLL->EPLL is the same as ZBLL... yes, some of them might be the same, but a lot of them won't be.

Also, since when was a pair skip a problem?

 

[guysensei1]

ZZ-c is when you do LS+OCLL at the same time. That's learning algs for every last pair case, not just the three move inserts. That's like saying ZBLS is the same thing as VHLS, and COLL->EPLL is the same as ZBLL... yes, some of them might be the same, but a lot of them won't be.

Also, since when was a pair skip a problem?

Man that's a LOT of cases... All the CLS, all WV+SV and a whole ton more. Eww

 

[Egide]

In total ZZ-c has 503 cases (including a skip), but they are crazy fast.

 

[porkynator]

Many LS cases end with R U* R' anyway; you can use WV and SV in many other cases with just a few setup moves, so you don't actually need all those algs.